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scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:58 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:28 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:05 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:37 am

3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:17 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:10 am

nighthawk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:07 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

Shhhhhh...you are going to ruin a good ax grinding.

I’m a bitter old man give me space.

You're actually right about this though... bizarre how anyone would dispute WC being thrown under the bus. It was a humiliating public critique of their brand new FA signing... clown move by a clown manager (who granted has since improved).

Back to your OP though... interesting that as much as he sticks up for his players that he was like #2 on the list of managers the players would least want to play for on that informal poll from last week.

Not true at all...it was due to the [fork]ing garbage WBC and pitchers not getting time with WillyCon...

Man, CT can't stop grinding the non-existent axe.

It's so pathetic, it's funny ...and why I love this place!

WillyCon was so distraught over this that he stays with the team and takes charge as a leader...poor Willy

That's quite a spin you've created, Scouty. Willy was absolutely thrown under the bus. It started with Mikolas and Flaherty. Lil oli took their side. Mo as well. Willy was removed as catcher. But he handled it so gracefully, fans supported him. His handling of the situation made him a leader.

No spin. he wasn't prepared to catch and call pitches the pitchers thru...because of WBC. The team gave him time to do it and that was that...no hard feelings, no buses rolling over him...

I agree with your statement that the WBC caused problems. He was unable to get familiar with the staff. But the organization (Mo, oli, Dusty, etc), did not relay that to the media. Therefore, they allowed stories to circulate that Contreras hadn't attempted to learn his staff and that he wasn't putting effort into his job.

The pitching was exposed as the issue once the team ERA went up with Knizner catching. After a few weeks, Contreras was again the starting catcher.

Mo was exposed for putting together a junk staff. And Lil oli was exposed as jackasses that would throw players under the bus. Probably why he rated dead last in the recent players poll.

How did I learn of it then? I'm mental but not a mentalist!

And I live on the west coast

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:58 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:28 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:05 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:37 am

3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:17 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:10 am

nighthawk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:07 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

Shhhhhh...you are going to ruin a good ax grinding.

I’m a bitter old man give me space.

You're actually right about this though... bizarre how anyone would dispute WC being thrown under the bus. It was a humiliating public critique of their brand new FA signing... clown move by a clown manager (who granted has since improved).

Back to your OP though... interesting that as much as he sticks up for his players that he was like #2 on the list of managers the players would least want to play for on that informal poll from last week.

Not true at all...it was due to the [fork]ing garbage WBC and pitchers not getting time with WillyCon...

Man, CT can't stop grinding the non-existent axe.

It's so pathetic, it's funny ...and why I love this place!

WillyCon was so distraught over this that he stays with the team and takes charge as a leader...poor Willy

That's quite a spin you've created, Scouty. Willy was absolutely thrown under the bus. It started with Mikolas and Flaherty. Lil oli took their side. Mo as well. Willy was removed as catcher. But he handled it so gracefully, fans supported him. His handling of the situation made him a leader.

No spin. he wasn't prepared to catch and call pitches the pitchers thru...because of WBC. The team gave him time to do it and that was that...no hard feelings, no buses rolling over him...

I agree with your statement that the WBC caused problems. He was unable to get familiar with the staff. But the organization (Mo, oli, Dusty, etc), did not relay that to the media. Therefore, they allowed stories to circulate that Contreras hadn't attempted to learn his staff and that he wasn't putting effort into his job.

The pitching was exposed as the issue once the team ERA went up with Knizner catching. After a few weeks, Contreras was again the starting catcher.

Mo was exposed for putting together a junk staff. And Lil oli was exposed as jackasses that would throw players under the bus. Probably why he rated dead last in the recent players poll.

How did I learn of it then? I'm mental but not a mentalist!

And I live on the west coast

You heard a [nonsense] story? It was not reported that Contreras was benched because of lack of time with pitchers due to the WBC. Mo and oli left him twisting in the wind.

What made it worse was how close in timing this situation was with oli throwing O'Neill under the bus two days in a row. Oli is a pud and a worm. That's why players listed him last out of MLB.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:58 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:28 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:05 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:37 am

3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:17 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:10 am

nighthawk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:07 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

Shhhhhh...you are going to ruin a good ax grinding.

I’m a bitter old man give me space.

You're actually right about this though... bizarre how anyone would dispute WC being thrown under the bus. It was a humiliating public critique of their brand new FA signing... clown move by a clown manager (who granted has since improved).

Back to your OP though... interesting that as much as he sticks up for his players that he was like #2 on the list of managers the players would least want to play for on that informal poll from last week.

Not true at all...it was due to the [fork]ing garbage WBC and pitchers not getting time with WillyCon...

Man, CT can't stop grinding the non-existent axe.

It's so pathetic, it's funny ...and why I love this place!

WillyCon was so distraught over this that he stays with the team and takes charge as a leader...poor Willy

That's quite a spin you've created, Scouty. Willy was absolutely thrown under the bus. It started with Mikolas and Flaherty. Lil oli took their side. Mo as well. Willy was removed as catcher. But he handled it so gracefully, fans supported him. His handling of the situation made him a leader.

No spin. he wasn't prepared to catch and call pitches the pitchers thru...because of WBC. The team gave him time to do it and that was that...no hard feelings, no buses rolling over him...

I agree with your statement that the WBC caused problems. He was unable to get familiar with the staff. But the organization (Mo, oli, Dusty, etc), did not relay that to the media. Therefore, they allowed stories to circulate that Contreras hadn't attempted to learn his staff and that he wasn't putting effort into his job.

The pitching was exposed as the issue once the team ERA went up with Knizner catching. After a few weeks, Contreras was again the starting catcher.

Mo was exposed for putting together a junk staff. And Lil oli was exposed as jackasses that would throw players under the bus. Probably why he rated dead last in the recent players poll.

How did I learn of it then? I'm mental but not a mentalist!

And I live on the west coast

You heard a [nonsense] story? It was not reported that Contreras was benched because of lack of time with pitchers due to the WBC. Mo and oli left him twisting in the wind.

What made it worse was how close in timing this situation was with oli throwing O'Neill under the bus two days in a row. Oli is a pud and a worm. That's why players listed him last out of MLB.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:39 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

He was 100% thrown under the bus at the start of his first season. He rose above it.

thetank2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:45 pm

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:39 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

He was 100% thrown under the bus at the start of his first season. He rose above it.

Should he have been held unaccountable. Seriously?

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:49 pm

thetank2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:45 pm

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:39 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

He was 100% thrown under the bus at the start of his first season. He rose above it.

Should he have been held unaccountable. Seriously?

How do you sign a guy to a 4 or 5 year contract to catch and not know he was not a good catcher ?

thetank2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:25 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:58 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:28 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:05 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:37 am

3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:17 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:10 am

nighthawk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:07 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

Shhhhhh...you are going to ruin a good ax grinding.

I’m a bitter old man give me space.

You're actually right about this though... bizarre how anyone would dispute WC being thrown under the bus. It was a humiliating public critique of their brand new FA signing... clown move by a clown manager (who granted has since improved).

Back to your OP though... interesting that as much as he sticks up for his players that he was like #2 on the list of managers the players would least want to play for on that informal poll from last week.

Not true at all...it was due to the [fork]ing garbage WBC and pitchers not getting time with WillyCon...

Man, CT can't stop grinding the non-existent axe.

It's so pathetic, it's funny ...and why I love this place!

WillyCon was so distraught over this that he stays with the team and takes charge as a leader...poor Willy

That's quite a spin you've created, Scouty. Willy was absolutely thrown under the bus. It started with Mikolas and Flaherty. Lil oli took their side. Mo as well. Willy was removed as catcher. But he handled it so gracefully, fans supported him. His handling of the situation made him a leader.

No spin. he wasn't prepared to catch and call pitches the pitchers thru...because of WBC. The team gave him time to do it and that was that...no hard feelings, no buses rolling over him...

I agree with your statement that the WBC caused problems. He was unable to get familiar with the staff. But the organization (Mo, oli, Dusty, etc), did not relay that to the media. Therefore, they allowed stories to circulate that Contreras hadn't attempted to learn his staff and that he wasn't putting effort into his job.

The pitching was exposed as the issue once the team ERA went up with Knizner catching. After a few weeks, Contreras was again the starting catcher.

Mo was exposed for putting together a junk staff. And Lil oli was exposed as jackasses that would throw players under the bus. Probably why he rated dead last in the recent players poll.

How did I learn of it then? I'm mental but not a mentalist!

And I live on the west coast

You heard a [nonsense] story? It was not reported that Contreras was benched because of lack of time with pitchers due to the WBC. Mo and oli left him twisting in the wind.

What made it worse was how close in timing this situation was with oli throwing O'Neill under the bus two days in a row. Oli is a pud and a worm. That's why players listed him last out of MLB.

All managers who manage long enough will be second guessed on how they deal with certain players. What's new? Oli didn't lose his relationship with Willie C unlike Larussa and Rolen.

thetank2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:25 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:56 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:58 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 13:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:28 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:05 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:37 am

3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:17 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:10 am

nighthawk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 08:07 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

Shhhhhh...you are going to ruin a good ax grinding.

I’m a bitter old man give me space.

You're actually right about this though... bizarre how anyone would dispute WC being thrown under the bus. It was a humiliating public critique of their brand new FA signing... clown move by a clown manager (who granted has since improved).

Back to your OP though... interesting that as much as he sticks up for his players that he was like #2 on the list of managers the players would least want to play for on that informal poll from last week.

Not true at all...it was due to the [fork]ing garbage WBC and pitchers not getting time with WillyCon...

Man, CT can't stop grinding the non-existent axe.

It's so pathetic, it's funny ...and why I love this place!

WillyCon was so distraught over this that he stays with the team and takes charge as a leader...poor Willy

That's quite a spin you've created, Scouty. Willy was absolutely thrown under the bus. It started with Mikolas and Flaherty. Lil oli took their side. Mo as well. Willy was removed as catcher. But he handled it so gracefully, fans supported him. His handling of the situation made him a leader.

No spin. he wasn't prepared to catch and call pitches the pitchers thru...because of WBC. The team gave him time to do it and that was that...no hard feelings, no buses rolling over him...

I agree with your statement that the WBC caused problems. He was unable to get familiar with the staff. But the organization (Mo, oli, Dusty, etc), did not relay that to the media. Therefore, they allowed stories to circulate that Contreras hadn't attempted to learn his staff and that he wasn't putting effort into his job.

The pitching was exposed as the issue once the team ERA went up with Knizner catching. After a few weeks, Contreras was again the starting catcher.

Mo was exposed for putting together a junk staff. And Lil oli was exposed as jackasses that would throw players under the bus. Probably why he rated dead last in the recent players poll.

How did I learn of it then? I'm mental but not a mentalist!

And I live on the west coast

You heard a [nonsense] story? It was not reported that Contreras was benched because of lack of time with pitchers due to the WBC. Mo and oli left him twisting in the wind.

What made it worse was how close in timing this situation was with oli throwing O'Neill under the bus two days in a row. Oli is a pud and a worm. That's why players listed him last out of MLB.

All managers who manage long enough will be second guessed on how they deal with certain players. What's new? Oli didn't lose his relationship with Willie C unlike Larussa and Rolen.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 19:49 pm Tatis turned into the pitch. It wasn't a knockdown pitch. Fastball got away from the pitcher.

thetank2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:45 pm

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:39 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:59 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 07:50 am Went directly at Robert’s when Tatis got hit. Right or wrong he always has his players back to a fault (Matt Carpenter). More managers should be like that. He never would have thrown or allowed WC to be thrown under the bus like he was a couple of years ago.

When was WillyCon thrown under a bus? How long was he on the IL?

He was 100% thrown under the bus at the start of his first season. He rose above it.

Should he have been held unaccountable. Seriously?