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Hey now, don't get in the way of a good dog whistle hater threadsikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 13:12 pm Since April 9, the Cardinals are 17-2 in games he has appeared. Last night being the second loss. Also 12 saves in that stretch. He’s gotta little Izzy in him.
Not only that, there's reports of multiple GMs (one I heard being interviewed on 101ESPN) that are scrambling because the Cards are in contention this season. Several of them were planning on making deals for Fedde, Helsley, etc at the TDL as a fix for their own internal issues.
I didn't make the claim about moving him. LoL. I am fine keeping him or not, until the trave deadlineHorseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 12:02 pmOk then provide a link that says that no offers were made or considered for Helsley. I can also be obtuse like you and ASSume that if I didn’t hear about it that it must not have happened…scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:57 amBecause you make an unsubstantiated claim that implies trading is like going to a grocery store...I see it, I get it.Horseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:46 amAgain, you’re being obtuse, ignoring the fact the we as fans do not know what was offered. Why ask for something you know someone can’t provide?scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:44 amNo I don't and neither do you or you would state some.Horseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:26 amDon’t be obtuse, you know there were trades to be made if they tried.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:19 amWhat was the offer they should have taken?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:16 pm Should have been traded in the offseason at peak value easy obvious correct
What top closer from last year was traded and what was the haul?
Of those 13 saves, how many times did he let the tying/winning run get on base before getting the final out?
Who cares?todd-parker wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 14:22 pmOf those 13 saves, how many times did he let the tying/winning run get on base before getting the final out?
Pretty sure that the HR was on a 98 mph fastball.Melville wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 13:27 pm Helsley is throwing his slider 45.4% of the time this year.
He is throwing his FB 46.8% of the time.
That's a problem.
From 2021-2023 he was using the FB over 55%, and the slider at 34%
That is what he needs to get back to.
Further, in the past he used the curve around 9% and that has dropped to 5%.
Also a problem.
When a reliever becomes a 2-pitch pitcher and dramatically reduces the usage of his best pitch, he is doing the hitters a huge favor - and they have observed and are taking advantage.
Bad combination.
Easy to understand.
Easy to fix.
so giving up 2 runsand still getting save is good?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 13:12 pm Since April 9, the Cardinals are 17-2 in games he has appeared. Last night being the second loss. Also 12 saves in that stretch. He’s gotta little Izzy in him.
He is also tied for the national league lead in blown saves he may have suitors but they wont be offering much for him
Easier to sit on that when the pitcher has reduced his arsenal to just 2 pitches and then primarily uses the FB for a "get one over the plate" pitch.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 14:28 pmPretty sure that the HR was on a 98 mph fastball.Melville wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 13:27 pm Helsley is throwing his slider 45.4% of the time this year.
He is throwing his FB 46.8% of the time.
That's a problem.
From 2021-2023 he was using the FB over 55%, and the slider at 34%
That is what he needs to get back to.
Further, in the past he used the curve around 9% and that has dropped to 5%.
Also a problem.
When a reliever becomes a 2-pitch pitcher and dramatically reduces the usage of his best pitch, he is doing the hitters a huge favor - and they have observed and are taking advantage.
Bad combination.
Easy to understand.
Easy to fix.
I think you are dead wrong. He still has great value.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 16:13 pmHe is also tied for the national league lead in blown saves he may have suitors but they wont be offering much for him
Why would he have great value? He has a 3.75 ERA 5 blown saves including 2 or 3 in a row he’s a free agent at the end of the season and the acquiring team couldn’t offer him a QO and they would have to hope and pray he could get better. No way a team gives up a lot of value for thatimetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 16:48 pmI think you are dead wrong. He still has great value.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 16:13 pmHe is also tied for the national league lead in blown saves he may have suitors but they wont be offering much for him
My suggestion?
Package Helsley and Noot for real lead-off hitter.
There are at least two playoff teams who need a left fielder and a closer.
Name them.