Holloway Hires McJesus' Agent

[MiamiLaw]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

[theograce]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

Unless they know something health wise or have concerns … agreed. His skating, closing on defenders, driving to the net and opening plays, and shot all looked improved (some of it was elite). At times he reminded of K. Connor.

Broberg already got overpaid and has much growth needed in key areas. He’s not projecting to be a stud. Then again, you pay for young top 4’s with some upside. Holloway is the better player by far right now.

[moose-and-squirrel]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

1st year playing full time, and then went thru that injury. but I saw enuff that I'd be good with a long term deal. he's a good one to take a chance on

[TheJackBurton]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

I'm all for bridge deals, but if you can get him for say 6.5 for 8 you have to do it. We know he is good enough to be a top 4 dman, but with a 4 year deal that puts him right in his prime and it could explode to 10-11 million. Get him at the 8 year and that puts him in his 30's so an extension would probably be in the same range.

[MiamiLaw]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

I'm all for bridge deals, but if you can get him for say 6.5 for 8 you have to do it. We know he is good enough to be a top 4 dman, but with a 4 year deal that puts him right in his prime and it could explode to 10-11 million. Get him at the 8 year and that puts him in his 30's so an extension would probably be in the same range.

Yea, price/NTC/other benefit structures make it difficult to make a definitive statement. 8 yrs, 6.5 with a full NTC for 5 of them and I am all in.

[theograce]

I'm all for bridge deals, but if you can get him for say 6.5 for 8 you have to do it.

If he settles for that, he doesn’t believe in himself very much.

[SameOldBlues]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

This is pretty much my exact feelings on him and his situation.

[theograce]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

When 160 pound Binnington feels the need to defend you … that’s rough. He needs to learn how to defend himself and earn respect. That and his play away from the puck. Then he could be a solid, helpful top 4.

[TheJackBurton]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

I'm all for bridge deals, but if you can get him for say 6.5 for 8 you have to do it. We know he is good enough to be a top 4 dman, but with a 4 year deal that puts him right in his prime and it could explode to 10-11 million. Get him at the 8 year and that puts him in his 30's so an extension would probably be in the same range.

Yea, price/NTC/other benefit structures make it difficult to make a definitive statement. 8 yrs, 6.5 with a full NTC for 5 of them and I am all in.

let me put it this way, if the salary cap wasn't rising so drastically over the next 3 years I'd be all for the bridge deal. The salary cap going up like it is though, you could be looking at paying him double.

Now he could very much prefer a bridge deal because of that exact reason, but as a 23-24 year old individual with nothing guaranteed and the GM came to me and said "We'll pay you 50 million dollars over the next 8 years and that money is guaranteed" well someone better give me a really good reason to not sign that paperwork.

[theograce]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

I'm all for bridge deals, but if you can get him for say 6.5 for 8 you have to do it. We know he is good enough to be a top 4 dman, but with a 4 year deal that puts him right in his prime and it could explode to 10-11 million. Get him at the 8 year and that puts him in his 30's so an extension would probably be in the same range.

Yea, price/NTC/other benefit structures make it difficult to make a definitive statement. 8 yrs, 6.5 with a full NTC for 5 of them and I am all in.

let me put it this way, if the salary cap wasn't rising so drastically over the next 3 years I'd be all for the bridge deal. The salary cap going up like it is though, you could be looking at paying him double.

Now he could very much prefer a bridge deal because of that exact reason, but as a 23-24 year old individual with nothing guaranteed and the GM came to me and said "We'll pay you 50 million dollars over the next 8 years and that money is guaranteed" well someone better give me a really good reason to not sign that paperwork.

It’s not just about money and term with these guys. It’s about opportunity and what you envision for yourself and what the teams envision for you.

What if he sees himself as running a pp somewhere? What if he sees himself as a #2 on a good team playing 23 per night?

Like I said, he will show he doesn’t believe in himself to be that … if he signs what you propose

[BudOnTap]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

I'm all for bridge deals, but if you can get him for say 6.5 for 8 you have to do it. We know he is good enough to be a top 4 dman, but with a 4 year deal that puts him right in his prime and it could explode to 10-11 million. Get him at the 8 year and that puts him in his 30's so an extension would probably be in the same range.

Yea, price/NTC/other benefit structures make it difficult to make a definitive statement. 8 yrs, 6.5 with a full NTC for 5 of them and I am all in.

let me put it this way, if the salary cap wasn't rising so drastically over the next 3 years I'd be all for the bridge deal. The salary cap going up like it is though, you could be looking at paying him double.

Now he could very much prefer a bridge deal because of that exact reason, but as a 23-24 year old individual with nothing guaranteed and the GM came to me and said "We'll pay you 50 million dollars over the next 8 years and that money is guaranteed" well someone better give me a really good reason to not sign that paperwork.

It’s not just about money and term with these guys. It’s about opportunity and what you envision for yourself and what the teams envision for you.

What if he sees himself as running a pp somewhere? What if he sees himself as a #2 on a good team playing 23 per night?

Like I said, he will show he doesn’t believe in himself to be that … if he signs what you propose

you're such a wildy naive rube. it's always about money and financial/life security for professional athletes. you want to think hockey players are above that. go look at lance berkman. one of the few to ever say it all out loud. do you still believe in the easter bunny?

https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/lanc ... ion%20deal.

[TheJackBurton]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

I'm all for bridge deals, but if you can get him for say 6.5 for 8 you have to do it. We know he is good enough to be a top 4 dman, but with a 4 year deal that puts him right in his prime and it could explode to 10-11 million. Get him at the 8 year and that puts him in his 30's so an extension would probably be in the same range.

Yea, price/NTC/other benefit structures make it difficult to make a definitive statement. 8 yrs, 6.5 with a full NTC for 5 of them and I am all in.

let me put it this way, if the salary cap wasn't rising so drastically over the next 3 years I'd be all for the bridge deal. The salary cap going up like it is though, you could be looking at paying him double.

Now he could very much prefer a bridge deal because of that exact reason, but as a 23-24 year old individual with nothing guaranteed and the GM came to me and said "We'll pay you 50 million dollars over the next 8 years and that money is guaranteed" well someone better give me a really good reason to not sign that paperwork.

It’s not just about money and term with these guys. It’s about opportunity and what you envision for yourself and what the teams envision for you.

What if he sees himself as running a pp somewhere? What if he sees himself as a #2 on a good team playing 23 per night?

Like I said, he will show he doesn’t believe in himself to be that … if he signs what you propose

you're such a wildy naive rube. it's always about money and financial/life security for professional athletes. you want to think hockey players are above that. go look at lance berkman. one of the few to ever say it all out loud. do you still believe in the easter bunny?

https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/lanc ... ion%20deal.

Unless you are a top 10-15 player in the league, there's very little reason to turn down that kind of money.

Yes he could become the next Mark Stone, but he could also become the next Robby Fabbri. After this first injury, with an operation, probably already has him wanting to insure his financial security.

[Stlcardsblues]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

What I saw was Broberg looked like a legit top four D bordering on potential top 2 then got injured, he never looked the same post injury. I never felt he was fully healthy post injury. Hoping he can regain his form from early in the season.

[MiamiLaw]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

What I saw was Broberg looked like a legit top four D bordering on potential top 2 then got injured, he never looked the same post injury. I never felt he was fully healthy post injury. Hoping he can regain his form from early in the season.

Yea he was incredible to start the year no doubt. But it wasn't just on the physical end that I saw the dip. Prior to the injury, his hockey sense seemed off the charts. He was seeing the whole ice and rarely made a bad play with the puck. He wasn't able to regain anything close to that post-injury.

[theograce]

What I saw was Broberg looked like a legit top four D bordering on potential top 2 then got injured

The first 10 games of the season looks nothing like now.

Lee Stempniak was a 1st line player on the Blues for a while. He was like a ppg for a stretch. Wasn’t a 1st line player.

[dhsux]

I would give Holloway 8 years ASAP. Don't let him get more valuable.

Broberg on the other hand showed flashes and I am definitely intrigued for his future, but I don't think I'd back up the Brinks truck quite yet. A bridge deal with a higher AAV and lesser term would be preferable on him to me.

I want them both signed long term... asap

I don't know. Broberg had times when he was amazing and other times when he wasn't. Now the learning curve for a d is much higher and he has all the tools, but I'd rather look at 4 years or so for him if possible. 7 or 8 would be a bit risky still in my opinion. I wouldn't be losing sleep if they went that route though.

What I saw was Broberg looked like a legit top four D bordering on potential top 2 then got injured, he never looked the same post injury. I never felt he was fully healthy post injury. Hoping he can regain his form from early in the season.

Yea he was incredible to start the year no doubt. But it wasn't just on the physical end that I saw the dip. Prior to the injury, his hockey sense seemed off the charts. He was seeing the whole ice and rarely made a bad play with the puck. He wasn't able to regain anything close to that post-injury.

So he went from super star to just star performance or do you still have doubts?

I agree he dropped off after the injury but what he provided thereafter was clearly a #3 role as a young player.

Great skater, led the D with his plus/minus, 29 points on 68 games 20 mins a night and no pp time doing it.

He can well grow into a # 2 no doubt about it, imo. It's all there for him.