Can Gorman turn it around?

[Honky Tonk Man]

rather than listen, morons continue to argue over stats.

BAD BACKS + BIG BUILDS= BAD NOW, BAD FOR FUTURE

And they also like to keep lowering the bar, they act like a 230ish batting average and a 600 OPS and below average defense is suddenly a superstar

[scoutyjones2]

Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

Poor baby. All the pressure!

When he had a long leash he disappeared and disappointed. He should have been in the minors with JW. How many sub 100 OPS Hitters can one play in a single game?

UniKKKorn
JW
Potheads
Argo
GoNado

[3dender]

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

Poor baby. All the pressure!

When he had a long leash he disappeared and disappointed. He should have been in the minors with JW. How many sub 100 OPS Hitters can one play in a single game?

UniKKKorn
JW
Potheads
Argo
GoNado

Is 3.5 weeks of consistent starts a "long leash" in your book? Cause that's all he got, from 4/13 when he returned from IL until 5/7... Agree to disagree I guess.

[rockondlouie]

Teeny tiny sample size but.............

Last 25 PA's
2 HR
5 RBI
.435 .480 .826 1.306

With Donny's toe issue Norman might get 10 games in a row if Donny hits the IL.

[Melville]

He needs to be in the lineup 80% of the time even against lefties. His bat is such a plus to this lineup especially when he gets in a rhythm like he has the last week.

But when Walker is back I'm sure he'll be back on the bench mainly.

The team has no LH hitting player on the 40 man with a bat that matches Gorman's power/production ceiling.

[scoutyjones2]

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

Poor baby. All the pressure!

When he had a long leash he disappeared and disappointed. He should have been in the minors with JW. How many sub 100 OPS Hitters can one play in a single game?

UniKKKorn
JW
Potheads
Argo
GoNado

Is 3.5 weeks of consistent starts a "long leash" in your book? Cause that's all he got, from 4/13 when he returned from IL until 5/7... Agree to disagree I guess.

Last year?

[Melville]

I think he has...

Last 15 games.....343/.395/.600/.995
For the season his OPS is now at .707.

So many want a power bat in this team. Gorman may just be that bat IF given a consistent opportunity. He just turned 25 in May and already has 63 career homers. Let him play.

Succinct.
Accurate.

[Futuregm2]

Teeny tiny sample size but.............

Last 25 PA's
2 HR
5 RBI
.435 .480 .826 1.306

With Donny's toe issue Norman might get 10 games in a row if Donny hits the IL.

Can Vilade play 2B? Oli may try to get him in the lineup.

[rockondlouie]

Teeny tiny sample size but.............

Last 25 PA's
2 HR
5 RBI
.435 .480 .826 1.306

With Donny's toe issue Norman might get 10 games in a row if Donny hits the IL.

Can Vilade play 2B? Oli may try to get him in the lineup.

Wait don't give him any idea's!

Today I'd:

DFA - Roycrap & Vilade

Both are useless, NOT "runway players" and NOT ML caliber players.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

He’s succeeding because they are using him properly. His production would fall off a cliff if you played him everyday. He would end us hurting the team but bringing him in against certain profiled pitchers and limiting his PAs is the best thing they can do for him.

This way if they decide to move on his stock has rallied and they should be able to get something solid back. If not oh well he’s a part time power bat capable of doing damage and helping this team.

Convenient and unfalsifiable position.

I have just as much proof that if Oli would have given him more starts sooner that he would have already been hitting homeruns. Instead he was given 6 starts in almost 4 weeks from May 8th to June 2nd. And all that while getting at least 1 hit in 13 of the 14 games started since May 5th.

No you don’t. You don’t have chit but the old ball game in front of you. He simply isn’t effective certain pitching profiles. You can look this up it’s not hard. He’s a situation hitter who can put a charge into the ball. But that’s highly contingent on the pitcher he is facing.

[3dender]

He’s succeeding because they are using him properly. His production would fall off a cliff if you played him everyday. He would end us hurting the team but bringing him in against certain profiled pitchers and limiting his PAs is the best thing they can do for him.

This way if they decide to move on his stock has rallied and they should be able to get something solid back. If not oh well he’s a part time power bat capable of doing damage and helping this team.

Convenient and unfalsifiable position.

I have just as much proof that if Oli would have given him more starts sooner that he would have already been hitting homeruns. Instead he was given 6 starts in almost 4 weeks from May 8th to June 2nd. And all that while getting at least 1 hit in 13 of the 14 games started since May 5th.

No you don’t. You don’t have chit but the old ball game in front of you. He simply isn’t effective certain pitching profiles. You can look this up it’s not hard. He’s a situation hitter who can put a charge into the ball. But that’s highly contingent on the pitcher he is facing.

Read closer: I have as much proof for my position as you do for yours. So if I have none...

[3dender]

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

Poor baby. All the pressure!

When he had a long leash he disappeared and disappointed. He should have been in the minors with JW. How many sub 100 OPS Hitters can one play in a single game?

UniKKKorn
JW
Potheads
Argo
GoNado

Is 3.5 weeks of consistent starts a "long leash" in your book? Cause that's all he got, from 4/13 when he returned from IL until 5/7... Agree to disagree I guess.

Last year?

Why would I be talking about last year? When the post of mine you responded to was talking about this year? You know, the year they loudly proclaimed they were going to give him a lot of runway.

Are you needing to move the goalposts to last year now?

[Monsieur De Treville]

Teeny tiny sample size but.............

Last 25 PA's
2 HR
5 RBI
.435 .480 .826 1.306

With Donny's toe issue Norman might get 10 games in a row if Donny hits the IL.

Can Vilade play 2B? Oli may try to get him in the lineup.

Don't even think it! If you can dream it, Oli will try it!

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

He’s succeeding because they are using him properly. His production would fall off a cliff if you played him everyday. He would end us hurting the team but bringing him in against certain profiled pitchers and limiting his PAs is the best thing they can do for him.

This way if they decide to move on his stock has rallied and they should be able to get something solid back. If not oh well he’s a part time power bat capable of doing damage and helping this team.

Convenient and unfalsifiable position.

I have just as much proof that if Oli would have given him more starts sooner that he would have already been hitting homeruns. Instead he was given 6 starts in almost 4 weeks from May 8th to June 2nd. And all that while getting at least 1 hit in 13 of the 14 games started since May 5th.

No you don’t. You don’t have chit but the old ball game in front of you. He simply isn’t effective certain pitching profiles. You can look this up it’s not hard. He’s a situation hitter who can put a charge into the ball. But that’s highly contingent on the pitcher he is facing.

Read closer: I have as much proof for my position as you do for yours. So if I have none...

He’s been successful in his limited role making big impacts relative to his PA. I have proof. For a “bench” bat and part time players he’s done well.

I don’t think many would disagree.

[3dender]

He’s succeeding because they are using him properly. His production would fall off a cliff if you played him everyday. He would end us hurting the team but bringing him in against certain profiled pitchers and limiting his PAs is the best thing they can do for him.

This way if they decide to move on his stock has rallied and they should be able to get something solid back. If not oh well he’s a part time power bat capable of doing damage and helping this team.

Convenient and unfalsifiable position.

I have just as much proof that if Oli would have given him more starts sooner that he would have already been hitting homeruns. Instead he was given 6 starts in almost 4 weeks from May 8th to June 2nd. And all that while getting at least 1 hit in 13 of the 14 games started since May 5th.

No you don’t. You don’t have chit but the old ball game in front of you. He simply isn’t effective certain pitching profiles. You can look this up it’s not hard. He’s a situation hitter who can put a charge into the ball. But that’s highly contingent on the pitcher he is facing.

Read closer: I have as much proof for my position as you do for yours. So if I have none...

He’s been successful in his limited role making big impacts relative to his PA. I have proof. For a “bench” bat and part time players he’s done well.

I don’t think many would disagree.

That's not how logic works: "because he did it in this one circumstance means he would not have done it better in another circumstance."

Whether you understand it or not, that's what you're saying. You have no counterfactual and therefore no proof. I have exactly as much proof as you do for my own position, here's my logic: "Because he's doing well in limited PAs he would have done even better with more PAs."

Go ahead, disprove my argument. Whoops you can't, guess I'm right! (See how silly that sounds?)

[scoutyjones2]

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

Poor baby. All the pressure!

When he had a long leash he disappeared and disappointed. He should have been in the minors with JW. How many sub 100 OPS Hitters can one play in a single game?

UniKKKorn
JW
Potheads
Argo
GoNado

Is 3.5 weeks of consistent starts a "long leash" in your book? Cause that's all he got, from 4/13 when he returned from IL until 5/7... Agree to disagree I guess.

Last year?

Why would I be talking about last year? When the post of mine you responded to was talking about this year? You know, the year they loudly proclaimed they were going to give him a lot of runway.

Are you needing to move the goalposts to last year now?

I'm saying he [shirt] the bed last year when given a long leash. Not confining to whining about lack of a long leash this year since goNado is still on the team and the Cards have better options than the KKKorn that are playing. Didn't see where you were confining his short leash to just this year
My bad .
But sentiment is still the same. He's a casualty of playing time due to last year's puke and GoNado still on the team