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rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 10:40 am
Explain nothing, do you own homework.

Open your eye's and try to keep up.

Thanks dad...You are capable of getting your point across without being condescending.

PadsFS07 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 14:26 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 10:40 am
Explain nothing, do you own homework.

Open your eye's and try to keep up.

Thanks dad...You are capable of getting your point across without being condescending.

Not even close, you're probably older than me...............back to IGNORE since you can't discuss baseball w/o getting personal so save your replies to me.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 10:40 am 2021
8 IP
2022
60 2/3 IP that includes the AZFL
2023
96 IP
2024
79 2/3 IP
2025
4 1/3 IP

Does that look like a future starters inning to you?

I'd like to come back to this and put ages on his years of pitching and do some comparisons.

2021 - Age 18 - 8 IP
2022 - Age 19 - 64 2/3 IP (added playoffs)
2023 - Age 20 - 99 1/3 IP (added spring training)
2024 - Age 21 - 83 2/3 IP (added spring training)

Now compare to former Card pitching prospects (these include college/spring/playoffs/afl as well)

Siegrist:
18 - 47 2/3
19 - 28
20 - 53 2/3
21 - 107 1/3
22 - 106 2/3
23 - 73 1/3 --> MLB debut

Rosenthal:
19 - 58
20 - 34
21 - 135 1/3
22 - 140 1/3 --> MLB debut

Miller:
18 - 80
19 - 104 1/3
20 - 139 1/3
21 - 153 2/3
22 - 174 1/3

Martinez:
18 - 59
19 - 84 2/3
20 - 115 2/3
21 - 120 2/3 --> ML debut

Reyes:
18 - 58 1/3
19 - 109 1/3
20 - 101 1/3
21 - 111 1/3 --> MLB debut

Flaherty:
18 - 111 1/3
19 - 102
20 - 135
21 - 177 --> MLB debut

Those numbers don't bode well since he does compare most favorably to Siegrist and Rosenthal.

craviduce wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 10:46 am HS pitchers take 4-7 years to develop into a major league starter.

Afford Tink that luxury, please.

This is year 5. He very well may be a reliever long term, but let his development continue.

Have you not figured out this place yet? This board suffers from a Pujols syndrome. If the player does not have immediate success in the role, it’s a failed player with no chance to develop. Then when they have success elsewhere on a team which allows them to work though failure, those same people blast the organization for given up on the player too quickly.

This board has no patience to let a prospect develop. It has to be immediate success Pujols style.

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 16:30 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 10:46 am HS pitchers take 4-7 years to develop into a major league starter.

Afford Tink that luxury, please.

This is year 5. He very well may be a reliever long term, but let his development continue.

The silly thing is we all relatively agree about

Have you not figured out this place yet? This board suffers from a Pujols syndrome. If the player does not have immediate success in the role, it’s a failed player with no chance to develop. Then when they have success elsewhere on a team which allows them to work though failure, those same people blast the organization for given up on the player too quickly.

This board has no patience to let a prospect develop. It has to be immediate success Pujols style.

It’s worth finding out for sure. I don’t see the rush either.

Pink Freud wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 10:21 am I recall in the mid-80s Todd Worrell was a starting pitcher in the minors, but had a nasty habit of getting rocked his second and third time around the lineup. A wise pitching coach moved him to closer, and a star was born (except when he faced Howard Johnson).

He’d’ve been lights out against Velvet Freeze.

He could make it up to the Big leagues in September as a RP possibly and in the offseason go play in the Arizona Fall League