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craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:47 am I just want to know what happened to OR and how did shadymaple get his screen name?

This thread is for baseball discussion. Not personal nonsense. Please try to oblige.

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:57 am

craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:57 am

craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

I'm all for Burleson getting occasional spot starts to give contreras some rest, but that's about it. He's perfectly fine in that role, and his production and defensive liability make that role appropriate for him

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:03 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:57 am

craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:05 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:03 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:57 am

craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

Which Burleson will show up? I’m guessing the one with a career .715 OPS/97 OPS+. He’s ok, not great.

Adam2 wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:04 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:57 am

craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

I'm all for Burleson getting occasional spot starts to give contreras some rest, but that's about it. He's perfectly fine in that role, and his production and defensive liability make that role appropriate for him

You are entitled to your opinion. However, Marmol probably sees it differently. Burleson will likely be in the lineup, regularly, against RHP. And they see a lot of RHP.

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:07 am

Adam2 wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:04 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:57 am

craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

I'm all for Burleson getting occasional spot starts to give contreras some rest, but that's about it. He's perfectly fine in that role, and his production and defensive liability make that role appropriate for him

You are entitled to your opinion. However, Marmol probably sees it differently. Burleson will likely be in the lineup, regularly, against RHP. And they see a lot of RHP.

I'll be interested to see if Burleson completely forgets how to hit a baseball as the season goes on, just like last year. hopefully not

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:59 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:47 am I just want to know what happened to OR and how did shadymaple get his screen name?

This thread is for baseball discussion. Not personal nonsense. Please try to oblige.

Not personal nonsense?

Look in the mirror pal, you're the King of personal nonsense.

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:05 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:03 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:57 am

craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

So the last weeks of May is the REAL tryout for a FT starter position in June and July?

Makes little sense.

As always, you display recency bias.

Old Red I have read your post with supporting info. I can see why you have taken your position. Like the rest of us we have Card players we like and promote.

But as pretend POBOy, GM, Manager, et al I would ask you -

1. Bottom of ninth - 2 out - tying or winning run on 3rd base who would you rather have at bat? The opposing pitcher can be R or L handed. Neither is ideal but I go with WC due to experience.

2. Game 7 of WS. Same scenario: Bottom of ninth - 2 out - tying or winning run on 3rd base who would you rather have at bat? Same with pitcher - you pick. I again pick WC in big game situations.

3. Would you pick Burly or WC to have the ability or skill to carry a team for 4-5 games? NA has that ability whether on defense, offense, etc to carry or fire up a team such as his throw out at home and game winning home run during Brewers home series. Big time plays.

My 1-3 most likely does not have supporting stats. But it allows the fan to make the decision based upon the "eye" test.

Regardless, a good topic. Got posters posting.

Each week Burleson could get a start at 1st, LF, RF and DH. That’s plenty of at bats over the course of a year.

hullie wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:45 am Each week Burleson could get a start at 1st, LF, RF and DH. That’s plenty of at bats over the course of a year.

That seems to be what's happening. And I'm good with that. I just wish Burleson would hit with more power. Same goes for Contreras and Arenado.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:40 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:05 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 May 2025 11:03 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:57 am

craviduce wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:46 am

Shady wrote: ↑29 May 2025 10:22 am Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

So the last weeks of May is the REAL tryout for a FT starter position in June and July?

Makes little sense.

As always, you display recency bias.

So you prefer to go with the player/players that are not hitting as well, currently? That has resulted in Marmol not getting needed production, sometimes, in the past. Ex. Arenado, Goldschmidt last season and Arenado earlier this season. Don't want to see Contreras at cleanup while struggling. Put him down in the order, like Arenado, and let them hit their way back up.

OldRed wrote: ↑29 May 2025 07:59 am Is it time for a true platoon?

No. Burleson is hot now, but he'll cool off.
Contreras is cold coming off his injury, but he'll heat up.
Burleson is one of the slowest players in baseball and is a statue at first base. Contreras runs well and is a better fielder.

OldRed wrote: ↑29 May 2025 08:10 am Burleson against right-handed pitching: .298 Avg., .343 OBP

Contreras against right-handed pitching: .234 Avg., .304 OBP

And it is 1/3 of the season.

Get back to me at the end of the season! Both players will be around their career norms and you'll look silly.