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He'll exceed those numbers.knttiger wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:34 pm He’s a marginal baseball player- he has a cult following in STL because they like to scream Nooooooooottttttt whenever he does anything. Destined to be a .240 hitter with 12-15 homers a yr and an annual bobble head. Not corner outfield production for a team wanting to compete for trophies.
I didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
And how much did the dodgers spend for those .900 OPS players??? lol. The cardinals need good players lars is a good player. If you want .900 OPS players at every position it’s not happening. What the cardinals need are players who lengthen the line up. Lars is one of those players that does he’s a .780 to .800 OPS guy. They need more production from third and right field although walker is hitting better lately.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
I'm not saying he's the problem. I'm saying he's not the solution to our MOTO (like a few have suggested over the years). We still need another true RBI bat. Also, we've dumped what, 30, 50, 60M in payroll and will get out from under Mikolas and probably Matz after this year as well. We can afford a bat.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:10 pmAnd how much did the dodgers spend for those .900 OPS players??? lol. The cardinals need good players lars is a good player. If you want .900 OPS players at every position it’s not happening. What the cardinals need are players who lengthen the line up. Lars is one of those players that does he’s a .780 to .800 OPS guy. They need more production from third and right field although walker is hitting better lately.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
Lars is not a problem. I can complain masyn Winn isn’t Bobby Witt jr but he’s still a very good player and it’s silly to complain about that
He’s not a middle of the order bat he’s the lead off hitterCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:14 pmI'm not saying he's the problem. I'm saying he's not the solution to our MOTO (like a few have suggested over the years). We still need another true RBI bat. Also, we've dumped what, 30, 50, 60M in payroll and will get out from under Mikolas and probably Matz after this year as well. We can afford a bat.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:10 pmAnd how much did the dodgers spend for those .900 OPS players??? lol. The cardinals need good players lars is a good player. If you want .900 OPS players at every position it’s not happening. What the cardinals need are players who lengthen the line up. Lars is one of those players that does he’s a .780 to .800 OPS guy. They need more production from third and right field although walker is hitting better lately.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
Lars is not a problem. I can complain masyn Winn isn’t Bobby Witt jr but he’s still a very good player and it’s silly to complain about that
I'm saying we need one.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:18 pmHe’s not a middle of the order bat he’s the lead off hitterCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:14 pmI'm not saying he's the problem. I'm saying he's not the solution to our MOTO (like a few have suggested over the years). We still need another true RBI bat. Also, we've dumped what, 30, 50, 60M in payroll and will get out from under Mikolas and probably Matz after this year as well. We can afford a bat.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:10 pmAnd how much did the dodgers spend for those .900 OPS players??? lol. The cardinals need good players lars is a good player. If you want .900 OPS players at every position it’s not happening. What the cardinals need are players who lengthen the line up. Lars is one of those players that does he’s a .780 to .800 OPS guy. They need more production from third and right field although walker is hitting better lately.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
Lars is not a problem. I can complain masyn Winn isn’t Bobby Witt jr but he’s still a very good player and it’s silly to complain about that
Now that I agree withCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:21 pmI'm saying we need one.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:18 pmHe’s not a middle of the order bat he’s the lead off hitterCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:14 pmI'm not saying he's the problem. I'm saying he's not the solution to our MOTO (like a few have suggested over the years). We still need another true RBI bat. Also, we've dumped what, 30, 50, 60M in payroll and will get out from under Mikolas and probably Matz after this year as well. We can afford a bat.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:10 pmAnd how much did the dodgers spend for those .900 OPS players??? lol. The cardinals need good players lars is a good player. If you want .900 OPS players at every position it’s not happening. What the cardinals need are players who lengthen the line up. Lars is one of those players that does he’s a .780 to .800 OPS guy. They need more production from third and right field although walker is hitting better lately.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
Lars is not a problem. I can complain masyn Winn isn’t Bobby Witt jr but he’s still a very good player and it’s silly to complain about that
And with the draft coming up in days, we need to target more of a (healthy) Nick Kurtz type corner player/MOTO bat than a Middle Infielder. Unless its Ethan Holliday with a MVP bat ceiling plus GG SS.
Last season the Dodgers won the WS. Their OF featured Hernandez in left with an .840 OPS, Pages in CF with a .712 OPS, and Heyward in RF with a .686 OPS.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
1st - I never said we can't win with Noot. I'm saying we need more than just him of what we don't have. Moto bats.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:40 pmLast season the Dodgers won the WS. Their OF featured Hernandez in left with an .840 OPS, Pages in CF with a .712 OPS, and Heyward in RF with a .686 OPS.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
The 2023 WC Rangers ran with Jankowski and .689 OPS in left, Taveras .733 in CF, and Garcia .836 in RF.
This idea that you can't win with a guy like Noot starting in your OF is demonstrably preposterous!
I haven't seen anyone suggest Noot is a MOTO bat. He's a leadoff hitter. He gets on base and scores runs. Maybe on a great team he hits 6th, 7th, or 8th. But no, he's not Judge or Ohtani.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:14 pmI'm not saying he's the problem. I'm saying he's not the solution to our MOTO (like a few have suggested over the years). We still need another true RBI bat. Also, we've dumped what, 30, 50, 60M in payroll and will get out from under Mikolas and probably Matz after this year as well. We can afford a bat.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:10 pmAnd how much did the dodgers spend for those .900 OPS players??? lol. The cardinals need good players lars is a good player. If you want .900 OPS players at every position it’s not happening. What the cardinals need are players who lengthen the line up. Lars is one of those players that does he’s a .780 to .800 OPS guy. They need more production from third and right field although walker is hitting better lately.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
Lars is not a problem. I can complain masyn Winn isn’t Bobby Witt jr but he’s still a very good player and it’s silly to complain about that
He has the benefit of leading the Cardinals in runs scored and home runs on 2025.Melville wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:46 pm Good to see him have a good day.
He has been rough at the plate, rough in the field, and rough on the bases.
Players will have good stretches and bad.
Mootbaar is and always will remain that which he has been throughout his career.
A passive, low BA, good OBP inconsistent hitter who will hit a HR every now and then when a pitcher gives him a gift with a straight FB at the top of the zone.
He is a handy role player - but not a key lineup cog.
That won't change.
In STL he has the added benefit of being an odd marketing piece and he is aware enough to take advantage by playing to that.
Well you just described Gorman minus the high OBP and handy role player. Fraud.Melville wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:46 pm Good to see him have a good day.
He has been rough at the plate, rough in the field, and rough on the bases.
Players will have good stretches and bad.
Mootbaar is and always will remain that which he has been throughout his career.
A passive, low BA, good OBP inconsistent hitter who will hit a HR every now and then when a pitcher gives him a gift with a straight FB at the top of the zone.
He is a handy role player - but not a key lineup cog.
That won't change.
In STL he has the added benefit of being an odd marketing piece and he is aware enough to take advantage by playing to that.
He has 22 more PA's than Donovan, 57 more than Scott, and 65 more than Winn - all of whom would be ahead of him if they hit leadoff and had his number of PA'sMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:52 pmHe has the benefit of leading the Cardinals in runs scored and home runs on 2025.Melville wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:46 pm Good to see him have a good day.
He has been rough at the plate, rough in the field, and rough on the bases.
Players will have good stretches and bad.
Mootbaar is and always will remain that which he has been throughout his career.
A passive, low BA, good OBP inconsistent hitter who will hit a HR every now and then when a pitcher gives him a gift with a straight FB at the top of the zone.
He is a handy role player - but not a key lineup cog.
That won't change.
In STL he has the added benefit of being an odd marketing piece and he is aware enough to take advantage by playing to that.
He may not be the solution and if Walker continues to hit like he has then it’d be tough to find a spot for him, but what about Bryan Reynolds from the Pirates? He’s having a not good year (.606 OPS), but his statcast numbers don’t really project he should be having one and being acquired by a team in the playoff hunt could help. I don’t know that Pitt would trade with us, nor us with them, but he’s a house hold name and an OF/DH type that can give you 25 HR with 85-95 RBI.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:14 pmI'm not saying he's the problem. I'm saying he's not the solution to our MOTO (like a few have suggested over the years). We still need another true RBI bat. Also, we've dumped what, 30, 50, 60M in payroll and will get out from under Mikolas and probably Matz after this year as well. We can afford a bat.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:10 pmAnd how much did the dodgers spend for those .900 OPS players??? lol. The cardinals need good players lars is a good player. If you want .900 OPS players at every position it’s not happening. What the cardinals need are players who lengthen the line up. Lars is one of those players that does he’s a .780 to .800 OPS guy. They need more production from third and right field although walker is hitting better lately.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:02 pmI didn't say he's a 4th OFer. He should start. But he's not a Holliday or Ozuna, much less a Judge, Carroll, Trout or Stanton in his prime. He's not that Moto bat that more than 0 posters predicted he would turn into if healthy.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:52 pmlol so if an outfielder doesn’t have an .850 OPS he’s a fourth outfielder? lol I guess most outfielders are fourth outfielders thenCarp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 19:09 pmIt’s the .850 and 600 PAs he has yet to prove.woofy25 wrote: ↑27 May 2025 18:43 pmHe had something like a career .778 ops coming into the season. He’s had two seasons in the mid to high 780s. Hes in his baseball prime. Why is it so unimaginable that with a healthy season he could have an .800 OPS?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:50 pmPeople just to say his cold months were due to injury and if he could only stay healthy he could OPS > .800-.850.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 May 2025 13:28 pm .209 .267 .330 .597
Just throwing this out there. I like Nootbaar and I know he's been streaky in the past, but he's gotta be more consistent. I'd take him being a bit more mediocre overall if it meant he wouldn't go through these long stretches of sucking.
We have a good team right now, but not a great team. In order to get to the next level, we need another 100 RBI type bat. 3 teams have a TEAM ops of .790 or better. All 3 lead their divisions, including the NLC. In order to consistently compete with teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, even the Cubs as they are currently playing, our lineup will need another upgrade to the MOTO, not another .700-.800 OPS type Middle infielder. Dodgers have 4 players with OPS over .900. .900 shouldn't be considered an impossible target, even for OFers. We don't wanna be average. We want to be the best.
Lars is not a problem. I can complain masyn Winn isn’t Bobby Witt jr but he’s still a very good player and it’s silly to complain about that
If Noot stays healthy, he's giving the team exactly what they need from the LO position. If you're a LO guy, you have to get on base. And, it helps to work a count.Melville wrote: ↑27 May 2025 21:46 pm Good to see him have a good day.
He has been rough at the plate, rough in the field, and rough on the bases.
Players will have good stretches and bad.
Mootbaar is and always will remain that which he has been throughout his career.
A passive, low BA, good OBP inconsistent hitter who will hit a HR every now and then when a pitcher gives him a gift with a straight FB at the top of the zone.
He is a handy role player - but not a key lineup cog.
That won't change.
In STL he has the added benefit of being an odd marketing piece and he is aware enough to take advantage by playing to that.