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Melville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:05 pm

Idaho Cards wrote: ↑09 May 2025 11:41 am Heck no. Devers is a “GOOD” player, but not the “RIGHT” player. Have we not learned that stats are not the total sum of a player’s worth regarding winning and losing. We finally have a group of team players that are enjoyable to watch. Let’s stick to the course we set out on.

Which is why I asked.
Not endorsing one way or the other
Simply curious at to what the fan base would be willing to do to add a quality bat with star power to the roster.
Is there an appetite.to add a marquee player?
Or instead, as you say, stay the course?
Risks and reward factors exist either way

Melville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 09:10 am If you were POBO for STL would you consider a trade with Boston built around N/A and Devers?
Devers is actually quite affordable since he las a large sum of money deferred in each year of his contract.
Paired with Arenado, he would give STL a formidable middle order presence which they currently lack.
And from a business perspective, it would help bring fans back to the ballpark.
The potential fit is there.
Something along the lines of N/A, Mootbaar, Pozo, and Mikolas for Devers and Jhostynxon Garica.
Bottom line:
If you could add Devers' bat to the STL lineup for the next 8 years at little meaningful roster loss, would you?

woofy25 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:27 pm

Melville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 09:10 am If you were POBO for STL would you consider a trade with Boston built around N/A and Devers?
Devers is actually quite affordable since he las a large sum of money deferred in each year of his contract.
Paired with Arenado, he would give STL a formidable middle order presence which they currently lack.
And from a business perspective, it would help bring fans back to the ballpark.
The potential fit is there.
Something along the lines of N/A, Mootbaar, Pozo, and Mikolas for Devers and Jhostynxon Garica.
Bottom line:
If you could add Devers' bat to the STL lineup for the next 8 years at little meaningful roster loss, would you?

So, you want the Red Sox to take a guy who stinks in mikolas, another who is league average in Arenado, a guy you think is a 4th OFer in Nootbaar and a complete unknown in pozo? Why in the world would the Red Sox make that deal?

Idaho Cards wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:46 pm

Melville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:05 pm

Idaho Cards wrote: ↑09 May 2025 11:41 am Heck no. Devers is a “GOOD” player, but not the “RIGHT” player. Have we not learned that stats are not the total sum of a player’s worth regarding winning and losing. We finally have a group of team players that are enjoyable to watch. Let’s stick to the course we set out on.

Which is why I asked.
Not endorsing one way or the other
Simply curious at to what the fan base would be willing to do to add a quality bat with star power to the roster.
Is there an appetite.to add a marquee player?
Or instead, as you say, stay the course?
Risks and reward factors exist either way

IMO - If the front office made the decision to acquire a "marque" player to put butts in the seats: This would reveal poor leadership. They made a decision to "see what we got," and I believe the results have been better than expected. The fan base will always have an apetite for acquiring star power, much in the same way my children always had an appetite for candy. Hopefully the adults in the room have the cajones to say no, But Yes - I believe the Card fan(atic)s would always love to see a star added to the roster. Pleeeze stay the course. Deal Arenado for youth, keep Gray, and be patient on Helsley. The possibility of acquiring a big package of youth for our closer could pay big dividends if we are patient and play our "Cards" right.

Melville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 14:15 pm

woofy25 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:27 pm

Melville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 09:10 am If you were POBO for STL would you consider a trade with Boston built around N/A and Devers?
Devers is actually quite affordable since he las a large sum of money deferred in each year of his contract.
Paired with Arenado, he would give STL a formidable middle order presence which they currently lack.
And from a business perspective, it would help bring fans back to the ballpark.
The potential fit is there.
Something along the lines of N/A, Mootbaar, Pozo, and Mikolas for Devers and Jhostynxon Garica.
Bottom line:
If you could add Devers' bat to the STL lineup for the next 8 years at little meaningful roster loss, would you?

So, you want the Red Sox to take a guy who stinks in mikolas, another who is league average in Arenado, a guy you think is a 4th OFer in Nootbaar and a complete unknown in pozo? Why in the world would the Red Sox make that deal?

I didn't say they would.
I posed but one of several possible scenarios.
The Sox do need a RH bat, they do need a corner infielder, they do need a starting pitcher for depth in the short term, they are very thin at catcher, and they would want a player in return with several years of control.
Many ways to get that done.
The point of the question was not the specific components that would get it done, but rather if fans here would consider seizing the opportunity to add a marquee player as opposed to sticking completley with the current plan.

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 16:31 pm At this point Devers is a negative asset. Why would Noot have to be in the trade?

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:03 pm

Melville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 09:10 am If you were POBO for STL would you consider a trade with Boston built around N/A and Devers?
Devers is actually quite affordable since he las a large sum of money deferred in each year of his contract.
Paired with Arenado, he would give STL a formidable middle order presence which they currently lack.
And from a business perspective, it would help bring fans back to the ballpark.
The potential fit is there.
Something along the lines of N/A, Mootbaar, Pozo, and Mikolas for Devers and Jhostynxon Garica.
Bottom line:
If you could add Devers' bat to the STL lineup for the next 8 years at little meaningful roster loss, would you?

Why trade Noot? He's on pace to score over 100 runs this season. Who was the last Cardinal to do this?

Melville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 18:43 pm

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 16:31 pm At this point Devers is a negative asset. Why would Noot have to be in the trade?

He was an example, nothing more.
No, Devers is not a negative asset.
If Boston were to put him on the market, there would be many offers (Devers does not have a NTC).
Boston would not give up 8 years of his bat for 2 years of a diminished N/A and 3/4 of a season from Mikolas.
They would want another asset with several years of control remaining.