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Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:58 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:51 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:40 pmWeird that a player has to agree to switch like that, especially to DH, and then to 1B. Tatis Jr. had never played RF before he was switched there after he had already signed his $300 million extension as a SS. Was that a big deal? Then after moving him to RF they had the nerve to play him 7 games in CF! How dare they!

Mookie Betts has been switched many times, mid season even. In 2023 he played 107 games in RF, 70 at 2B, and 16 at SS. He hadn’t played SS in over a decade at the time.

Again, he isn’t the first player to go through this. He took it terribly and made himself look terrible in the process.

You could cite a thousand more examples of players changing positions, but I’d guess you won’t know how any of them felt about it.

I’m only suggesting that maybe Devers doesn’t need to be attacked for voicing his opinion. If the Red Sox didn’t have the sense to make it clear he might be changing positions at some point in his career, that’s on them.

Voicing an opinion...well...that's certainly one way to look at it.

Of course, another way would be to say a young man making $30 million a year is acting like an entitled, spoiled baby.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:51 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:40 pmWeird that a player has to agree to switch like that, especially to DH, and then to 1B. Tatis Jr. had never played RF before he was switched there after he had already signed his $300 million extension as a SS. Was that a big deal? Then after moving him to RF they had the nerve to play him 7 games in CF! How dare they!

Mookie Betts has been switched many times, mid season even. In 2023 he played 107 games in RF, 70 at 2B, and 16 at SS. He hadn’t played SS in over a decade at the time.

Again, he isn’t the first player to go through this. He took it terribly and made himself look terrible in the process.

You could cite a thousand more examples of players changing positions, but I’d guess you won’t know how any of them felt about it.

I’m only suggesting that maybe Devers doesn’t need to be attacked for voicing his opinion. If the Red Sox didn’t have the sense to make it clear he might be changing positions at some point in his career, that’s on them.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:50 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:51 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:40 pmWeird that a player has to agree to switch like that, especially to DH, and then to 1B. Tatis Jr. had never played RF before he was switched there after he had already signed his $300 million extension as a SS. Was that a big deal? Then after moving him to RF they had the nerve to play him 7 games in CF! How dare they!

Mookie Betts has been switched many times, mid season even. In 2023 he played 107 games in RF, 70 at 2B, and 16 at SS. He hadn’t played SS in over a decade at the time.

Again, he isn’t the first player to go through this. He took it terribly and made himself look terrible in the process.

You could cite a thousand more examples of players changing positions, but I’d guess you won’t know how any of them felt about it.

I’m only suggesting that maybe Devers doesn’t need to be attacked for voicing his opinion. If the Red Sox didn’t have the sense to make it clear he might be changing positions at some point in his career, that’s on them.

There was a Boston press conference in the offseason where they unnecessarily bashed Devers. I found it curious at the time… like it was a bad look and totally stupid. This feels like a response to that.

I’d have to look a bit to find it… but they said something to the tune of the guys in charge weren’t the ones who thought it was a good idea to sign Devers to that contract and his opinions don’t matter to the new guys.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:55 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:50 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:51 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:40 pmWeird that a player has to agree to switch like that, especially to DH, and then to 1B. Tatis Jr. had never played RF before he was switched there after he had already signed his $300 million extension as a SS. Was that a big deal? Then after moving him to RF they had the nerve to play him 7 games in CF! How dare they!

Mookie Betts has been switched many times, mid season even. In 2023 he played 107 games in RF, 70 at 2B, and 16 at SS. He hadn’t played SS in over a decade at the time.

Again, he isn’t the first player to go through this. He took it terribly and made himself look terrible in the process.

You could cite a thousand more examples of players changing positions, but I’d guess you won’t know how any of them felt about it.

I’m only suggesting that maybe Devers doesn’t need to be attacked for voicing his opinion. If the Red Sox didn’t have the sense to make it clear he might be changing positions at some point in his career, that’s on them.

There was a Boston press conference in the offseason where they unnecessarily bashed Devers. I found it curious at the time… like it was a bad look and totally stupid. This feels like a response to that.

I’d have to look a bit to find it… but they said something to the tune of the guys in charge weren’t the ones who thought it was a good idea to sign Devers to that contract and his opinions don’t matter to the new guys.

He also took the brunt of the blame for their sharty defense. Guess which team still leads the league in errors…

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:55 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:50 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:51 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:40 pmWeird that a player has to agree to switch like that, especially to DH, and then to 1B. Tatis Jr. had never played RF before he was switched there after he had already signed his $300 million extension as a SS. Was that a big deal? Then after moving him to RF they had the nerve to play him 7 games in CF! How dare they!

Mookie Betts has been switched many times, mid season even. In 2023 he played 107 games in RF, 70 at 2B, and 16 at SS. He hadn’t played SS in over a decade at the time.

Again, he isn’t the first player to go through this. He took it terribly and made himself look terrible in the process.

You could cite a thousand more examples of players changing positions, but I’d guess you won’t know how any of them felt about it.

I’m only suggesting that maybe Devers doesn’t need to be attacked for voicing his opinion. If the Red Sox didn’t have the sense to make it clear he might be changing positions at some point in his career, that’s on them.

There was a Boston press conference in the offseason where they unnecessarily bashed Devers. I found it curious at the time… like it was a bad look and totally stupid. This feels like a response to that.

I’d have to look a bit to find it… but they said something to the tune of the guys in charge weren’t the ones who thought it was a good idea to sign Devers to that contract and his opinions don’t matter to the new guys.

He also took the brunt of the blame for their sharty defense. Guess which team still leads the league in errors…

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:57 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:55 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:50 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:51 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:40 pmWeird that a player has to agree to switch like that, especially to DH, and then to 1B. Tatis Jr. had never played RF before he was switched there after he had already signed his $300 million extension as a SS. Was that a big deal? Then after moving him to RF they had the nerve to play him 7 games in CF! How dare they!

Mookie Betts has been switched many times, mid season even. In 2023 he played 107 games in RF, 70 at 2B, and 16 at SS. He hadn’t played SS in over a decade at the time.

Again, he isn’t the first player to go through this. He took it terribly and made himself look terrible in the process.

You could cite a thousand more examples of players changing positions, but I’d guess you won’t know how any of them felt about it.

I’m only suggesting that maybe Devers doesn’t need to be attacked for voicing his opinion. If the Red Sox didn’t have the sense to make it clear he might be changing positions at some point in his career, that’s on them.

There was a Boston press conference in the offseason where they unnecessarily bashed Devers. I found it curious at the time… like it was a bad look and totally stupid. This feels like a response to that.

I’d have to look a bit to find it… but they said something to the tune of the guys in charge weren’t the ones who thought it was a good idea to sign Devers to that contract and his opinions don’t matter to the new guys.

He also took the brunt of the blame for their sharty defense. Guess which team still leads the league in errors…

Bregman leads their team with 5

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 10:48 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 10:38 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 09:13 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:36 pmI guess Devers doesn't realize The Man happily played full MLB seasons at all three OF positions as well as first base? Or that Pete Rose played 2nd, third, first, and LF?

What an A-Hole!

Ya… the Red Sox shamefully forgot to reinforce how players need to model themselves after Pete Rose.

Between the white lines, I'd want every player to play the game like Pete did...

Point is...when guys like Pete, Stan, Jackie Robinson, were asked to change positions for the good of the team, they did so without complaint because they were team first guys.

Even beyond players of past years, just look at a guy like Contreras. He was signed to be a catcher and a month into the contract the team was moving him off of catcher. Did he complain to the media? Did he throw a public hissy fit and say he wouldn’t be moving to another position? No, because he’s the kind of player you want on your team.

82birds wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:54 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:39 pm

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:36 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 16:59 pm https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/05/ ... l#comments

Red Sox designated hitter Rafael Devers spoke to members of the media today, including Alex Speier of The Boston Globe. Devers said that chief baseball officer Craig Breslow recently asked him about playing first base in the wake of the Triston Casas injury. Devers said that he is unwilling to take up the position, adding that the club told him to put away his glove when they moved him from third base to designated hitter this winter. He feels that the team has now gone back on its word. He also responded “Sí, claro” when asked if he was upset by the request.

“er position but DH. So right n they should do their job essentially and hit the market and look for another player (to play first base). I’m not sure why they want me to be in between the way they have me now.”

I guess Devers doesn't realize The Man happily played full MLB seasons at all three OF positions as well as first base? Or that Pete Rose played 2nd, third, first, and LF?

What an A-Hole!

The Man also went to war.

without that year of serving our country Stan The Man would have had 500 homers

Mr Nice Guy wrote: ↑09 May 2025 15:41 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 10:48 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 10:38 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 09:13 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:36 pmI guess Devers doesn't realize The Man happily played full MLB seasons at all three OF positions as well as first base? Or that Pete Rose played 2nd, third, first, and LF?

What an A-Hole!

Ya… the Red Sox shamefully forgot to reinforce how players need to model themselves after Pete Rose.

Between the white lines, I'd want every player to play the game like Pete did...

Point is...when guys like Pete, Stan, Jackie Robinson, were asked to change positions for the good of the team, they did so without complaint because they were team first guys.

Even beyond players of past years, just look at a guy like Contreras. He was signed to be a catcher and a month into the contract the team was moving him off of catcher. Did he complain to the media? Did he throw a public hissy fit and say he wouldn’t be moving to another position? No, because he’s the kind of player you want on your team.

I seem to remember they tried to move Contreras to outfield first & he basically said no. He never played in the outfield & was back catching a few weeks later. Now granted this offseason he did do what's best for the team & agreed to switch to 1B/DH, but he did do something similar to what Devers did when asked mid season. Which could make some sense, I could see how making a switch mid season could possibly lead to injuries where given a chance to prepare in the offseason might make it more palatable to the player.

Honestly in this scenario the biggest issue to me is with the team telling a player to lose his glove. Just tell him in the offseason we're going to switch you to mainly DH & backing up 1B & 3B. That way he would know to maybe do some work on receiving balls at 1B during the offseason & when your 1B goes down it's not coming out of left field when you ask the guy to play 1B for a while. (plus he would have gotten a few spot starts when the regular 1B had a day of to acclimate to the position)

Granted it's a bad look for Devers, he would have been better off saying something like "I'll do whatever's best for the team but if the front office was considering this as a possibility it would have been nice of them to tell me during the offseason so I could actually prepare to play a position I've never played before" It would show he is a team player but also allow him to air his grievance with the way it was handled in the offseason.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑09 May 2025 16:01 pm An attitude problem? I don't know, maybe. It depends on what he was told and commitments, if any, they made to him. I know I've felt salty and uncooperative when people have been dishonest with me. If they were dishonest with him, good for him for exposing them. If not, that's a different cat.

HorseTrader wrote: ↑09 May 2025 16:23 pm

Mr Nice Guy wrote: ↑09 May 2025 15:41 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 10:48 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 10:38 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 09:13 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 May 2025 18:36 pmI guess Devers doesn't realize The Man happily played full MLB seasons at all three OF positions as well as first base? Or that Pete Rose played 2nd, third, first, and LF?

What an A-Hole!

Ya… the Red Sox shamefully forgot to reinforce how players need to model themselves after Pete Rose.

Between the white lines, I'd want every player to play the game like Pete did...

Point is...when guys like Pete, Stan, Jackie Robinson, were asked to change positions for the good of the team, they did so without complaint because they were team first guys.

Even beyond players of past years, just look at a guy like Contreras. He was signed to be a catcher and a month into the contract the team was moving him off of catcher. Did he complain to the media? Did he throw a public hissy fit and say he wouldn’t be moving to another position? No, because he’s the kind of player you want on your team.

I seem to remember they tried to move Contreras to outfield first & he basically said no. He never played in the outfield & was back catching a few weeks later. Now granted this offseason he did do what's best for the team & agreed to switch to 1B/DH, but he did do something similar to what Devers did when asked mid season. Which could make some sense, I could see how making a switch mid season could possibly lead to injuries where given a chance to prepare in the offseason might make it more palatable to the player.

Honestly in this scenario the biggest issue to me is with the team telling a player to lose his glove. Just tell him in the offseason we're going to switch you to mainly DH & backing up 1B & 3B. That way he would know to maybe do some work on receiving balls at 1B during the offseason & when your 1B goes down it's not coming out of left field when you ask the guy to play 1B for a while. (plus he would have gotten a few spot starts when the regular 1B had a day of to acclimate to the position)

Granted it's a bad look for Devers, he would have been better off saying something like "I'll do whatever's best for the team but if the front office was considering this as a possibility it would have been nice of them to tell me during the offseason so I could actually prepare to play a position I've never played before" It would show he is a team player but also allow him to air his grievance with the way it was handled in the offseason.

Actually Contreras has played the outfield in the minors and majors, plus 3b, 1B and even 3 games at 2b. I think it was probably more age and wear on the knees that caused him to ask to not play OF.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 13:10 pm

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:58 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:51 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 12:40 pmWeird that a player has to agree to switch like that, especially to DH, and then to 1B. Tatis Jr. had never played RF before he was switched there after he had already signed his $300 million extension as a SS. Was that a big deal? Then after moving him to RF they had the nerve to play him 7 games in CF! How dare they!

Mookie Betts has been switched many times, mid season even. In 2023 he played 107 games in RF, 70 at 2B, and 16 at SS. He hadn’t played SS in over a decade at the time.

Again, he isn’t the first player to go through this. He took it terribly and made himself look terrible in the process.

You could cite a thousand more examples of players changing positions, but I’d guess you won’t know how any of them felt about it.

I’m only suggesting that maybe Devers doesn’t need to be attacked for voicing his opinion. If the Red Sox didn’t have the sense to make it clear he might be changing positions at some point in his career, that’s on them.

Voicing an opinion...well...that's certainly one way to look at it.

Of course, another way would be to say a young man making $30 million a year is acting like an entitled, spoiled baby.

Was there a gag order in his contract? I believe you mentioned Jackie Robinson…