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Re: Gorman: How much longer?
Posted: 08 May 2025 12:14 pm
by OldRed
As Ronald Caron once said, "The MEAT is on the burner."
Re: Gorman: How much longer?
Posted: 08 May 2025 12:22 pm
by renostl
3dender wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:33 am
1_12_1968 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:18 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 03:32 am
He gets the entire season. Thats the point of 2025
Normans problem is contact. Not what he chooses to do with the pitch. I don't think time can fix no contact.
His statcast suggests his problem is actually being too tentative. His Chase and Walk rates are elite this year, and his bat speed and EV are way down.
He's taking too many pitches, and swinging weakly when he decides to attack. But his Chase rate indicates his pitch identification and swing decisions are pretty good.
So the solution is to be more decisive with his swings. I suggested above that he needs to use his first two strikes to attack with authority, and then shorten up in 2-strike counts to try and put the ball in play. Pretty basic.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb
I actually believe he is showing commitment to the new approach.
Now he needs confidence in it, which is the hard part. Needs a hot streak for that to build.
To the OP, he gets all year IMO.
Arenado plays into this and how consistent playing time he may get.
Re: Gorman: How much longer?
Posted: 08 May 2025 13:48 pm
by Melville
renostl wrote: ↑08 May 2025 12:22 pm
3dender wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:33 am
1_12_1968 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:18 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 03:32 am
He gets the entire season. Thats the point of 2025
Normans problem is contact. Not what he chooses to do with the pitch. I don't think time can fix no contact.
His statcast suggests his problem is actually being too tentative. His Chase and Walk rates are elite this year, and his bat speed and EV are way down.
He's taking too many pitches, and swinging weakly when he decides to attack. But his Chase rate indicates his pitch identification and swing decisions are pretty good.
So the solution is to be more decisive with his swings. I suggested above that he needs to use his first two strikes to attack with authority, and then shorten up in 2-strike counts to try and put the ball in play. Pretty basic.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb
I actually believe he is showing commitment to the new approach.
Now he needs confidence in it, which is the hard part. Needs a hot streak for that to build.
To the OP, he gets all year IMO.
Arenado plays into this and how consistent playing time he may get.
Correct.
He is in a good spot.
K rate is way down.
Hard hit rate is up.
Line drive rate is the highest of his career.
Fly ball rate is the highest of his career.
OBP is up.
BB rate is elite.
EV is in line with MLB and STL team average.
The only real issue is BABIP.
Data says he is hitting into bad luck.
His BABIP is .244 and the MLB average is .292 - and in his prior 3 seasons that is right where he was at.
His current BABIP is sure to normalize.
And as others have noted, he is performing at or above average defensively.
Nothing to be concerned about - he will be fine.
Re: Gorman: How much longer?
Posted: 08 May 2025 14:01 pm
by blackinkbiz
kscardsfan wrote: ↑08 May 2025 11:36 am
In a reset patience is required. A week or so ago the cry was about Contreras. Give Gorman, Walker, and Burleson until Aug 1. Then if they bombed move on from them.
The cry about Contreras was to move him down in the lineup until he found his swing. Before the emergence of Donny, decline of Nado, and the legend of Ivan, he's easily the best bat with a healthy track record.
But going through a "reset" doesn't mean you have to sacrifice the season. That's what a LOT of crybaby Blues fans wanted--the idiots mostly. "Tank for a top-5 pick we won't be competitive until 2028 anyways!"
But look what happens when you make your guys compete. The cream rises to the top. If the Legend of Ivan comes true and Libby and the rest of the staff keep throwing quality starts, McG finally gets put where he belongs ...this team has the bats and starting staff to win this division. Cubs will cool off.
Bullpen still needs work. F total resets. Competition breeds success.
Re: Gorman: How much longer?
Posted: 08 May 2025 14:06 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
blackinkbiz wrote: ↑08 May 2025 14:01 pm
kscardsfan wrote: ↑08 May 2025 11:36 am
In a reset patience is required. A week or so ago the cry was about Contreras. Give Gorman, Walker, and Burleson until Aug 1. Then if they bombed move on from them.
The cry about Contreras was to move him down in the lineup until he found his swing. Before the emergence of Donny, decline of Nado, and the legend of Ivan, he's easily the best bat with a healthy track record.
But going through a "reset" doesn't mean you have to sacrifice the season. That's what a LOT of crybaby Blues fans wanted--the idiots mostly. "Tank for a top-5 pick we won't be competitive until 2028 anyways!"
But look what happens when you make your guys compete. The cream rises to the top. If the Legend of Ivan comes true and Libby and the rest of the staff keep throwing quality starts, McG finally gets put where he belongs ...this team has the bats and starting staff to win this division. Cubs will cool off.
Bullpen still needs work. F total resets. Competition breeds success.
I find a reset to be a time where you play freely, not worry about score as much as making gains to pass the end of season assessment. The cut.
At this rate, when we cut and add at seasons end, we will be well on our way to being viable.
Re: Gorman: How much longer?
Posted: 08 May 2025 14:19 pm
by renostl
Melville wrote: ↑08 May 2025 13:48 pm
renostl wrote: ↑08 May 2025 12:22 pm
3dender wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:33 am
1_12_1968 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:18 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 03:32 am
He gets the entire season. Thats the point of 2025
Normans problem is contact. Not what he chooses to do with the pitch. I don't think time can fix no contact.
His statcast suggests his problem is actually being too tentative. His Chase and Walk rates are elite this year, and his bat speed and EV are way down.
He's taking too many pitches, and swinging weakly when he decides to attack. But his Chase rate indicates his pitch identification and swing decisions are pretty good.
So the solution is to be more decisive with his swings. I suggested above that he needs to use his first two strikes to attack with authority, and then shorten up in 2-strike counts to try and put the ball in play. Pretty basic.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb
I actually believe he is showing commitment to the new approach.
Now he needs confidence in it, which is the hard part. Needs a hot streak for that to build.
To the OP, he gets all year IMO.
Arenado plays into this and how consistent playing time he may get.
Correct.
He is in a good spot.
K rate is way down.
Hard hit rate is up.
Line drive rate is the highest of his career.
Fly ball rate is the highest of his career.
OBP is up.
BB rate is elite.
EV is in line with MLB and STL team average.
The only real issue is BABIP.
Data says he is hitting into bad luck.
His BABIP is .244 and the MLB average is .292 - and in his prior 3 seasons that is right where he was at.
His current BABIP is sure to normalize.
And as others have noted, he is performing at or above average defensively.
Nothing to be concerned about - he will be fine.
That next step isn't easy.
The combination of production and confidence are linked.
Re: Gorman: How much longer?
Posted: 08 May 2025 21:00 pm
by Melville
renostl wrote: ↑08 May 2025 14:19 pm
Melville wrote: ↑08 May 2025 13:48 pm
renostl wrote: ↑08 May 2025 12:22 pm
3dender wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:33 am
1_12_1968 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:18 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 03:32 am
He gets the entire season. Thats the point of 2025
Normans problem is contact. Not what he chooses to do with the pitch. I don't think time can fix no contact.
His statcast suggests his problem is actually being too tentative. His Chase and Walk rates are elite this year, and his bat speed and EV are way down.
He's taking too many pitches, and swinging weakly when he decides to attack. But his Chase rate indicates his pitch identification and swing decisions are pretty good.
So the solution is to be more decisive with his swings. I suggested above that he needs to use his first two strikes to attack with authority, and then shorten up in 2-strike counts to try and put the ball in play. Pretty basic.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb
I actually believe he is showing commitment to the new approach.
Now he needs confidence in it, which is the hard part. Needs a hot streak for that to build.
To the OP, he gets all year IMO.
Arenado plays into this and how consistent playing time he may get.
Correct.
He is in a good spot.
K rate is way down.
Hard hit rate is up.
Line drive rate is the highest of his career.
Fly ball rate is the highest of his career.
OBP is up.
BB rate is elite.
EV is in line with MLB and STL team average.
The only real issue is BABIP.
Data says he is hitting into bad luck.
His BABIP is .244 and the MLB average is .292 - and in his prior 3 seasons that is right where he was at.
His current BABIP is sure to normalize.
And as others have noted, he is performing at or above average defensively.
Nothing to be concerned about - he will be fine.
That next step isn't easy.
The combination of production and confidence are linked.
He has proven the ability to give production and does not lack confidence.
If anything, over-confidence got him into some bad habits.
Re: Gorman: How much longer?
Posted: 08 May 2025 21:36 pm
by Jatalk
Let’s be honest. He has had signs of offensive brilliance but he has primarily been an offensive failure. I think a lot of you are just scared he goes someplace else and has success. He might but as far as the Cards are concerned time to move him back down, hope he increases his zero trade value and cut bait.