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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 20:48 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:10 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:29 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm

Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

thetank2 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 10:04 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:52 am Keith Hernandez. They got absolutely nothing in that trade.

I'd also agree on not signing Bryce Harper. The team needed his fire the past several years.

Keith was there for 3 or so years. He couldn't stay in St. Louis.

Absolut wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:47 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm

Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

Dumping Carlton and reuss over money and a mustache. What could have been

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 21:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 20:48 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:10 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:29 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm

Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 07:34 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 21:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 20:48 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:10 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:29 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm

Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:27 pm Silly me. i thought you were going to say not signing Max Scherzer when he wanted to come here, or not pursuing Bryce Harper.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑09 May 2025 17:36 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 07:34 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 21:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 20:48 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:10 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:29 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm

Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

Hahaha.....OK. Like he traded Pujols, Molina, and Wainwright?

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 18:24 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑09 May 2025 17:36 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 07:34 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 21:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 20:48 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:10 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:29 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm

Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

Hahaha.....OK. Like he traded Pujols, Molina, and Wainwright?

Pujols was going to quit. Bonilla injury.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 18:24 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑09 May 2025 17:36 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 07:34 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 21:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 20:48 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:10 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:29 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm

Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

Hahaha.....OK. Like he traded Pujols, Molina, and Wainwright?

Pujols was going to quit and would have if Bonilla hadn't gotten injured in spring training which opened up a spot.

bfib wrote: ↑07 May 2025 22:23 pm

Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

They have a young, talented second baseman. Two of them actually.

It was always the correct move to give Gorman runway. He’s got the most power potential in the system. The leash has to be getting short though at this point.

thetank2 wrote: ↑08 May 2025 10:04 am

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:52 am Keith Hernandez. They got absolutely nothing in that trade.

I'd also agree on not signing Bryce Harper. The team needed his fire the past several years.

Keith was there for 3 or so years. He couldn't stay in St. Louis.