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He is near the bottom in RBI per PA.
Nootbaar can be all of the things we like and respect and stillJDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:33 pmAnd his OPS with RISP is close to .800 as I saw earlier today on here, either in this thread or another currently hanging on to the 1st page.renostl wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:23 pmIs he a lead off hitter if guys are on base?JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 amAnd IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 amYou know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?
I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.
Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!
NOW
If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.
BUT
NOT at lead-off.
JMO
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.
The situation should dictate what your top of the lineup hitters do within in their profiles.
The situation asked simply for a hit, not a HR, just a hit.
Yea, that .372 OPS with men on base and .569 OPS with RISP is sooooooo stellar.Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:32 pmAnd even Gorman is doing better than Mootbaar at driving in runs.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:04 pmAt least Mel has Gorman to fall back onrockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:46 amJDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 amAnd IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 amYou know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?
I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.
Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!
NOW
If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.
BUT
NOT at lead-off.
JMO
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.
Agreed
He's stated multiple times he's got an "old school" mentality of what a lead-off man should do (work the count, see as many pitches as he can, get on base anyway he can, ect...) and IMO this is 100% the right mindset.
Mel has had a vendetta against him and w/every success Noot has it makes his position look worse and worse.
You prove my point.
Web7 and Bully4you are a joke and clearly trolls possibly the same person.
I agree with the position taken in this situation.Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:34 pmHe is near the bottom in RBI per PA.
Interesting that you point to his low K rate while ignoring that even with that he is still really bad at driving in runs.
Your own data disproves your position and supports the OP 100%.
NO it fits extremely well hitting LEAD-OFF.Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:27 pmThat passivity and pursuit of walks would fit very well indeed - hitting 9th.rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 amYou know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?
I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.
Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!
NOW
If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.
BUT
NOT at lead-off.
JMO
Some folks interpret that as a slight.
But in this DH era, it isn't.
That spot has a role in the lineup far different than that of a couple of decades ago.
Scott's speed at leadoff would be far more productive for the 2-3-4 hitters who would follow - because he is much better at getting himself into scoring position and can score in so many more scenarios than Mootbaar can.
Plus, Mootbaar is once again nearly helpless against LH pitching and hitting him 9th would make it far easier to switch him out of the game in late innings in favor of a RH bat against a LH reliever.
Frankly, this isn't even a close call and I am a bit surprised that there would be any disagreement among knowledgeable baseball people.
Zero question than Mootbaar 9, Scott 1, and Winn 2 is the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.
You've said many dumb things many times. It doesn't mean you're right. That batting order is dumb.Melville wrote: ↑05 May 2025 22:58 pmAs I have said many times, Mootbaar 9, Scott 1, and Winn 2 is the best lineup option.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 May 2025 22:45 pm Noot's tendency to walk is based on a very keen eye. Often he strikes out on a pitch outside of the zone; a result of an umpire miscall.
I agree with those who suggest he isn't a great MOTO because he's clearly programmed to walk.
Noot would score more runs if we had a good set of MOTOBs.
ME-ville is an arrogant tool playing his act.ClassicO wrote: ↑06 May 2025 17:59 pmYou've said many dumb things many times. It doesn't mean you're right. That batting order is dumb.Melville wrote: ↑05 May 2025 22:58 pmAs I have said many times, Mootbaar 9, Scott 1, and Winn 2 is the best lineup option.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 May 2025 22:45 pm Noot's tendency to walk is based on a very keen eye. Often he strikes out on a pitch outside of the zone; a result of an umpire miscall.
I agree with those who suggest he isn't a great MOTO because he's clearly programmed to walk.
Noot would score more runs if we had a good set of MOTOBs.
Your bias toward certain players is undeniable and blinds you. It's SO obvious.
Giving the guy who makes the fewest outs on your team the fewest plate appearances goes beyond plain old dumb, it's imbecilic. Par for the course with Melville.ClassicO wrote: ↑06 May 2025 17:59 pmYou've said many dumb things many times. It doesn't mean you're right. That batting order is dumb.Melville wrote: ↑05 May 2025 22:58 pmAs I have said many times, Mootbaar 9, Scott 1, and Winn 2 is the best lineup option.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 May 2025 22:45 pm Noot's tendency to walk is based on a very keen eye. Often he strikes out on a pitch outside of the zone; a result of an umpire miscall.
I agree with those who suggest he isn't a great MOTO because he's clearly programmed to walk.
Noot would score more runs if we had a good set of MOTOBs.
Your bias toward certain players is undeniable and blinds you. It's SO obvious.
The Cards lead off spot ranks third among all MLB lead off hitters in RBIs. They have the fifth highest runs scored.Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:34 pmHe is near the bottom in RBI per PA.
Interesting that you point to his low K rate while ignoring that even with that he is still really bad at driving in runs.
Your own data disproves your position and supports the OP 100%.