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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:43 am

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:40 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:35 am

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 08:59 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:50 am Lack of HRs. Herrera has been gone for 3 weeks and still tied for team lead with 4.

Inability to win on the road...pathetic.

LOL. LOL. You need to figure which side of the fence you are on. Some days you just love the FO, Bill and the players. Other days you are calling them pathetic. LOL. LOL. LOL.

Why? I see the good and the bad. I don't hate or love the FO, unlike most on here

Pathetic? You can jump on and off the bandwagon with the best of them. It must be your AD/HD.

No. I can't help you understand how it's reasonable that you can see the good and the bad and be capable of speaking to it. Things aren't all dark and bitter, or all sunshine and rainbows.

Says a lot about someone who only sees things one way or the other

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:31 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Just not enough pitching for this offense

Wrong.

The pitching staff is handled poorly by Marmol and Blake. Bring in a competent manager and pitching coach and you'll find instant improvement in the pitching staff.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that there isn't a lot of room for improvement on the staff, personnel-wise. But the staff as presently constituted should be middle-of-the-pack in MLB, instead of bottom third as they are now.

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:05 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:31 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Just not enough pitching for this offense

Wrong.

The pitching staff is handled poorly by Marmol and Blake. Bring in a competent manager and pitching coach and you'll find instant improvement in the pitching staff.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that there isn't a lot of room for improvement on the staff, personnel-wise. But the staff as presently constituted should be middle-of-the-pack in MLB, instead of bottom third as they are now.

I never saw Marmol or Blake hang a meatball pitch over the plate. Not once. You might me biased by your hatred of Marmol and Blake. It's the pitcher that hangs the meatballs to be bashed. All the coaches can do is try to get the best match ups within the rules and put the best players on the field as much as possible. These players have been playing this game their entire lives and they know what to do. Even Gibson hung a pitch now and then. The problem lies in how many you hang.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

That’s what u got- good pitching and average offense. It certainly ain’t the other way around.

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:03 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

That’s what u got- good pitching and average offense. It certainly ain’t the other way around.

The offense, at this point is top 10. The pitching, not so much. But to their credit, they've exceeded my expectations of their pitching ability so far. Let's hope it keeps up.

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:03 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

That’s what u got- good pitching and average offense. It certainly ain’t the other way around.

The offense, at this point is top 10. The pitching, not so much. But to their credit, they've exceeded my expectations of their pitching ability so far. Let's hope it keeps up.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:21 pm

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:03 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

That’s what u got- good pitching and average offense. It certainly ain’t the other way around.

The offense, at this point is top 10. The pitching, not so much. But to their credit, they've exceeded my expectations of their pitching ability so far. Let's hope it keeps up.

Sure seems like the pitching is living up to any reasonable expectations at this point. We are getting 6-9 innings from the starters and the bullpen has been bolstered to avoid unnecessary abuse on the relievers.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:14 pm

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:03 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

That’s what u got- good pitching and average offense. It certainly ain’t the other way around.

The offense, at this point is top 10. The pitching, not so much. But to their credit, they've exceeded my expectations of their pitching ability so far. Let's hope it keeps up.

Yes it is. To my surprise. I stand corrected on average Offense, maybe average plus or good minus. At this point, to move Herrera to four might move that needle to the right.

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 20:31 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:21 pm

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:03 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

That’s what u got- good pitching and average offense. It certainly ain’t the other way around.

The offense, at this point is top 10. The pitching, not so much. But to their credit, they've exceeded my expectations of their pitching ability so far. Let's hope it keeps up.

Sure seems like the pitching is living up to any reasonable expectations at this point. We are getting 6-9 innings from the starters and the bullpen has been bolstered to avoid unnecessary abuse on the relievers.

Mikolas hasn't looked this good for years. Fedde was basically an unknown and no one could foresee if he would work out. Many wanted him traded. Libby is finally living up to his talents and no one could no if that would happen or if it is long term. He looks good right now though. Pallante has been a decent starter in that he keeps them in games. His high ground ball rate works great until batted ball luck catches up to him. Hopefully none regress too much. Now it seems we have to worry about Gray for some reason. As for relievers, I really like the new faces, minus the obvious not ready for prime time relievers that were sent out. They sure look good right now, but then all teams that win a lot do.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑17 May 2025 20:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 20:31 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:21 pm

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:03 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

That’s what u got- good pitching and average offense. It certainly ain’t the other way around.

The offense, at this point is top 10. The pitching, not so much. But to their credit, they've exceeded my expectations of their pitching ability so far. Let's hope it keeps up.

Sure seems like the pitching is living up to any reasonable expectations at this point. We are getting 6-9 innings from the starters and the bullpen has been bolstered to avoid unnecessary abuse on the relievers.

Mikolas hasn't looked this good for years. Fedde was basically an unknown and no one could foresee if he would work out. Many wanted him traded. Libby is finally living up to his talents and no one could no if that would happen or if it is long term. He looks good right now though. Pallante has been a decent starter in that he keeps them in games. His high ground ball rate works great until batted ball luck catches up to him. Hopefully none regress too much. Now it seems we have to worry about Gray for some reason. As for relievers, I really like the new faces, minus the obvious not ready for prime time relievers that were sent out. They sure look good right now, but then all teams that win a lot do.

You don't win if you don't look good. Pitching, starting and relieving, timely hitting and great defense gets you a long way.

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 20:36 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:14 pm

CCard wrote: ↑17 May 2025 13:03 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 16:01 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 09:45 am

CCard wrote: ↑29 Apr 2025 07:28 am Simple. When your offense can't sustain the run production needed and your pitching isn't strong enough to hold the other team down, then you're going to wind up way down in the standings. This is going to get ugly. I hope I'm wrong but right now that look like a last place team. A team dependent on batted ball luck on both sides of the ball isn't going to be consistent. Failure of ownership is to blame. Those empty seats speak volumes.

Plenty of pitching. Many 6 plus inning games. You’re right, the offense is weak. Your thread should have said not enough offense to support the pitching.

No, the game is 80% pitching. Good pitching will out most of the time. It just helps your pitching if you can score consistently. But conversely, I believe, if your pitching is giving up a lot of runs, it takes the steam out of the offense too. Give me a good to great pitcher and an average offense any day over a weak pitcher and a bunch of cannons that a good pitcher can shut down.

That’s what u got- good pitching and average offense. It certainly ain’t the other way around.

The offense, at this point is top 10. The pitching, not so much. But to their credit, they've exceeded my expectations of their pitching ability so far. Let's hope it keeps up.

Yes it is. To my surprise. I stand corrected on average Offense, maybe average plus or good minus. At this point, to move Herrera to four might move that needle to the right.

I'm still not sold that they're this good offensively, but if they are then I'm ecstatic. Herrera really has a presence doesn't he.