Perunovich pick

[Backesdraft]

NHL history:

1st Round Picks - about 63% make it to the NHL.

2nd Round Picks - less than 25% make it to the NHL

3rd Round Picks - about 12% make it.

Former NHL general manager Doug MacLean said his math over the last decade showed that only 15% of second round picks ever become impact players.

I remember seeing earlier that picks after 15 are essentially Round 2 picks. There is no difference in caliber of player.

Hey Green Grass, ya never answered my question. I thought you said you were leaving the board. What’re ya doing back so soon?

Many people wanted to rub it in when the Blues do well in the playoffs. I'm not one to run from a fight. So here I am.

So what's going to happen in the playoffs, Backesdraft? I say they win 1 but no chance for winning the series. What you say?

Oh my predictions don’t matter anymore than yours do. I just wanted to remind everyone the kind of troll you are, that’s all.

[seattleblue]

Peru is 40th in NHL points in his draft class and he is a dman, The realization here should be more about reflecting on expectations not that is a blown pick.

I know he has to go make his rounds and see if he can make it work but otherwise I wish we still had him in the system. There was never any rational reason to move him outside doing him a favor.

The expectations should have been level-set 8+ years ago. After 8 years of being told that he solves the Pietrangelo hole, who can blame the fans for thinking it was so--IN TIME AND WITH A FEW MORE PRACTICE REPS?

Blame the guy that set the expectations 8 years ago. That would be Douglas P Army. P is for "creating the Pietrangelo Hole".

ASOGG: Any prospect picked after 15 should not be counted on for anything other than lots of internet speculation.

Look I loathed the decision he made on Pietrangelo but I never once heard that Perunovich was meant to take his place. Army crashed the plane into the side of the mountain once, killing everyone on board. AND ALSO he deserves credit for fighting back. I have heard him say he knows what his biggest mistake was, And man it just kills me that we could gain and lose Stevens, gain and lose Pronger, gain and then decide to lose Petro. I hate not learning after repeat painful lessons. But Armstrong had a straight out GM of the year type year this year. That is fighting back. He also did what he had to do in 2023 regarding getting 1sts and other picks in one of the better drafts since that 2003 draft. So we have all waited impatiently to get the actual RE going and Armstrong did do it.

I know you know there are exceptions and outliers, that is built into the entire tapestry of sports, so I don't understand why you'd want a blanket statement of only top 15 picks matter or only top 5 picks matter. Remember you threw out six players the other day and five of them we got with the same means we have and are using right now. Your rule would mean you'd have to ignore Robert Thomas making a standard deviation leap this year, because he went 20th. I wouldn't pin yourself down with this one because it's too easy to disprove. Just my advice.

Yep not one person, Army included, ever claimed Peru was going to "fill the Petro hole." That's a blatant lie.

I said I never once heard it, and by heard it I mean by anyone reputable that Perunovich was supposed to be an all around #1 dman drafted to replace Pietrangelo ... ?
That's a true statement. If that happened and I missed it then I missed it but it's not a lie that I didn't hear it. Could you link it maybe?
Could you explain the hostility?

[a smell of green grass]

Yep not one person, Army included, ever claimed Peru was going to "fill the Petro hole." That's a blatant lie.

Per the internet....
Doug Armstrong, the GM of the St. Louis Blues, is widely recognized for his strategic rebuilding efforts, which include the departure of Alex Pietrangelo. Armstrong's approach involved strategically navigating a rebuilding phase while ensuring the team maintained competitiveness. Armstrong recognized the need to rebuild the Blues' defensive core after the departure of key players like Jay Bouwmeester (retirement) and Alex Pietrangelo.


So who did Army see as replacing Pietrangelo? Those were some big skates to fill. Would any reasonable person conclude that Perunovich, the Hobey Baker Award Guy, was supposed to at least be the new shoelaces on the new skates?

Or was Perunovich going to play Center?

[theograce]

The dream of him reaching his full potential and thus having to both one day overpay and shelter this type of Krug-ish player on the ice is dead it looks like.

I don’t even like Q. Hughes who will be a HOFer. Small Dmen are at such a disadvantage during intensity.

For some reason I was looking back last night on comments made about Dvorsky not long before his draft and I was listening to an analysis of Will Smith vs. Dvorsky and the scout on Dvorsky has a bias toward exactly what you're talking about ... you aren't just picturing the player in the regular season, you are picturing the player in the Stanley Cup semifinals and Final and what real minutes would look like for them there. The scout was saying he'd take Dvorsky over Smith all day long because while Smith could put up the eye popping offensive numbers his defensive game and ethic will never come near Dvorsky's and Dvo was built to play in those final rounds as a top two center. I liked hearing that.

The way I saw Q Hughes get manhandled this year just reinforced what I know.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=14TERFUYU ... hlcw%3D%3D

Just one example … watch the whole thing but especially at 2:30.

[Aesa]

Yep not one person, Army included, ever claimed Peru was going to "fill the Petro hole." That's a blatant lie.

Per the internet....
Doug Armstrong, the GM of the St. Louis Blues, is widely recognized for his strategic rebuilding efforts, which include the departure of Alex Pietrangelo. Armstrong's approach involved strategically navigating a rebuilding phase while ensuring the team maintained competitiveness. Armstrong recognized the need to rebuild the Blues' defensive core after the departure of key players like Jay Bouwmeester (retirement) and Alex Pietrangelo.


So who did Army see as replacing Pietrangelo? Those were some big skates to fill. Would any reasonable person conclude that Perunovich, the Hobey Baker Award Guy, was supposed to at least be the new shoelaces on the new skates?

Or was Perunovich going to play Center?

I don't see a quote from Army saying that Perunivich was the heir apparent to Petro, thus rendering this internet quote...

meaningless.

[sdaltons]

Peru is 40th in NHL points in his draft class and he is a dman, The realization here should be more about reflecting on expectations not that is a blown pick.

I know he has to go make his rounds and see if he can make it work but otherwise I wish we still had him in the system. There was never any rational reason to move him outside doing him a favor.

The expectations should have been level-set 8+ years ago. After 8 years of being told that he solves the Pietrangelo hole, who can blame the fans for thinking it was so--IN TIME AND WITH A FEW MORE PRACTICE REPS?

Blame the guy that set the expectations 8 years ago. That would be Douglas P Army. P is for "creating the Pietrangelo Hole".

ASOGG: Any prospect picked after 15 should not be counted on for anything other than lots of internet speculation.

Look I loathed the decision he made on Pietrangelo but I never once heard that Perunovich was meant to take his place. Army crashed the plane into the side of the mountain once, killing everyone on board. AND ALSO he deserves credit for fighting back. I have heard him say he knows what his biggest mistake was, And man it just kills me that we could gain and lose Stevens, gain and lose Pronger, gain and then decide to lose Petro. I hate not learning after repeat painful lessons. But Armstrong had a straight out GM of the year type year this year. That is fighting back. He also did what he had to do in 2023 regarding getting 1sts and other picks in one of the better drafts since that 2003 draft. So we have all waited impatiently to get the actual RE going and Armstrong did do it.

I know you know there are exceptions and outliers, that is built into the entire tapestry of sports, so I don't understand why you'd want a blanket statement of only top 15 picks matter or only top 5 picks matter. Remember you threw out six players the other day and five of them we got with the same means we have and are using right now. Your rule would mean you'd have to ignore Robert Thomas making a standard deviation leap this year, because he went 20th. I wouldn't pin yourself down with this one because it's too easy to disprove. Just my advice.

Yep not one person, Army included, ever claimed Peru was going to "fill the Petro hole." That's a blatant lie.

I said I never once heard it, and by heard it I mean by anyone reputable that Perunovich was supposed to be an all around #1 dman drafted to replace Pietrangelo ... ?
That's a true statement. If that happened and I missed it then I missed it but it's not a lie that I didn't hear it. Could you link it maybe?
Could you explain the hostility?

No I was agreeing with you. We can add this to the running list of lies from the other poster. No hostility intended towards you.

[a smell of green grass]

Yep not one person, Army included, ever claimed Peru was going to "fill the Petro hole." That's a blatant lie.

Per the internet....
Doug Armstrong, the GM of the St. Louis Blues, is widely recognized for his strategic rebuilding efforts, which include the departure of Alex Pietrangelo. Armstrong's approach involved strategically navigating a rebuilding phase while ensuring the team maintained competitiveness. Armstrong recognized the need to rebuild the Blues' defensive core after the departure of key players like Jay Bouwmeester (retirement) and Alex Pietrangelo.


So who did Army see as replacing Pietrangelo? Those were some big skates to fill. Would any reasonable person conclude that Perunovich, the Hobey Baker Award Guy, was supposed to at least be the new shoelaces on the new skates?

Or was Perunovich going to play Center?

I don't see a quote from Army saying that Perunivich was the heir apparent to Petro, thus rendering this internet quote...

meaningless.

Oh I see....

So by that thinking....

Army hasn't said one time in a press conference that any new young defenseman replaces Pietrangelo, so in your mind that means that Army has DONE NOTHING to replace him YET. It's just a hole still, maybe forever.

Let me guess... it's the same story for ROR and Tarasenko... Army hasn't said the words.... "this guys replaces ROR", so to that means Army hasn't started work on the replace yet.

[seattleblue]

Peru is 40th in NHL points in his draft class and he is a dman, The realization here should be more about reflecting on expectations not that is a blown pick.

I know he has to go make his rounds and see if he can make it work but otherwise I wish we still had him in the system. There was never any rational reason to move him outside doing him a favor.

The expectations should have been level-set 8+ years ago. After 8 years of being told that he solves the Pietrangelo hole, who can blame the fans for thinking it was so--IN TIME AND WITH A FEW MORE PRACTICE REPS?

Blame the guy that set the expectations 8 years ago. That would be Douglas P Army. P is for "creating the Pietrangelo Hole".

ASOGG: Any prospect picked after 15 should not be counted on for anything other than lots of internet speculation.

Look I loathed the decision he made on Pietrangelo but I never once heard that Perunovich was meant to take his place. Army crashed the plane into the side of the mountain once, killing everyone on board. AND ALSO he deserves credit for fighting back. I have heard him say he knows what his biggest mistake was, And man it just kills me that we could gain and lose Stevens, gain and lose Pronger, gain and then decide to lose Petro. I hate not learning after repeat painful lessons. But Armstrong had a straight out GM of the year type year this year. That is fighting back. He also did what he had to do in 2023 regarding getting 1sts and other picks in one of the better drafts since that 2003 draft. So we have all waited impatiently to get the actual RE going and Armstrong did do it.

I know you know there are exceptions and outliers, that is built into the entire tapestry of sports, so I don't understand why you'd want a blanket statement of only top 15 picks matter or only top 5 picks matter. Remember you threw out six players the other day and five of them we got with the same means we have and are using right now. Your rule would mean you'd have to ignore Robert Thomas making a standard deviation leap this year, because he went 20th. I wouldn't pin yourself down with this one because it's too easy to disprove. Just my advice.

Yep not one person, Army included, ever claimed Peru was going to "fill the Petro hole." That's a blatant lie.

I said I never once heard it, and by heard it I mean by anyone reputable that Perunovich was supposed to be an all around #1 dman drafted to replace Pietrangelo ... ?
That's a true statement. If that happened and I missed it then I missed it but it's not a lie that I didn't hear it. Could you link it maybe?
Could you explain the hostility?

No I was agreeing with you. We can add this to the running list of lies from the other poster. No hostility intended towards you.

oh got it I was confused because I did say 'I never once heard' it. no problem, now I understand what you meant.
on that topic though, I'll just say what seems to work for me is looking for the nugget of good faith hockey argument in an objection and taking it seriously and giving a reasonable rebuttal, saying why I agree or disagree. I just sort of accept there will be ways of expression or sentiment I don't like. I can't defeat it. better then, to reason. inevitably I came to this conclusion due to finite attention

[STL fan in MN]

Would any reasonable person conclude that Perunovich, the Hobey Baker Award Guy, was supposed to at least be the new shoelaces on the new skates?

No.

And nice job walking back Army saying Perunovich was the replacement for Pietrangelo to…posting some quote about Army’s rebuild (which doesn’t even include a quote from Army) and downgrading Peru replacing Petro with Peru being the shoelaces on the skate of replacing Petro.

So no, a reasonable person would not conclude any of this nonsense.

[seattleblue]

If we had seen the Parayko of this season and last season emerge three years earlier we might not be having this discussion, is another bit of food for thought. The gap between what we lost and 2023-2025 Parayko is a lot different than 2020-2023 Parayko

[moose-and-squirrel]

If we had seen the Parayko of this season and last season emerge three years earlier we might not be having this discussion, is another bit of food for thought. The gap between what we lost and 2023-2025 Parayko is a lot different than 2020-2023 Parayko

also was counting on JBo. his loss came out of the blue.

but you guys really are wasting your time with the troll. they're just spewing nonsense to get attention

[a smell of green grass]

Does any sane person want to debate this... Please stand up, if yes.

The defenseman that have been on the roster since Petro left were the candidates that Army saw as rebuilding after Petro.

Perunovich was around for 8 years, so I think it is pretty obvious that he was supposed to be some sort of replacement therapy.

Summary...
Army is still trying to rebuild after Petro.
Perunovich was a 2nd round pick.
A small percentage of 2nd round picks make an impact in the NHL.
Perunovich will not make an impact in the NHL.
Army tried to replace Petro, at least in part, with a draft pick that had barely a chance to make it in the NHL, much less replace star Petro (#4 Round 1).
Many on BluesTalk drank Army's koolaid and got burned.
Many on BluesTalk believe that high draft picks are not necessary.
The same BluesTalk fans that believe that high draft picks are not necessary have yet to notice that Petro hasn't been replaced in 5 years.

[seattleblue]

If we had seen the Parayko of this season and last season emerge three years earlier we might not be having this discussion, is another bit of food for thought. The gap between what we lost and 2023-2025 Parayko is a lot different than 2020-2023 Parayko

also was counting on JBo. his loss came out of the blue.

but you guys really are wasting your time with the troll. they're just spewing nonsense to get attention

yes but he was also getting up there, though obviously still a thriving outstanding skater when we lost him.
If I'm being personally honest I want to resist a bit of the lionizing on Jbo. Where I think the lionizers are correct is he was an absolute anchor under the crucible. I value the everloving F out of that. Buuut ... he left us with a beautiful final impression. He did have a healthy scratch during the Cup year. There were times when fans were genuinely frustrating. The form he showed in 2019 was not the same form as 2016 IMO when he was there too. There were some dings. All in all he was a world class #2 defenseman when it mattered.

I'm gonna stay out of the other stuff the rest of the way in this one, I gotta row for an hour and get creamer for the morning before this big game anyway. The key in this series is going to be who can get the lead because at least thus far both teams are lockdown deadly when they get the lead, particularly Winnipeg. Getting early leads tracks with the get Hellebuyck doubting goal as well. Let's go Blues!

[moose-and-squirrel]

If we had seen the Parayko of this season and last season emerge three years earlier we might not be having this discussion, is another bit of food for thought. The gap between what we lost and 2023-2025 Parayko is a lot different than 2020-2023 Parayko

also was counting on JBo. his loss came out of the blue.

but you guys really are wasting your time with the troll. they're just spewing nonsense to get attention

yes but he was also getting up there, though obviously still a thriving outstanding skater when we lost him.
If I'm being personally honest I want to resist a bit of the lionizing on Jbo. Where I think the lionizers are correct is he was an absolute anchor under the crucible. I value the everloving F out of that. Buuut ... he left us with a beautiful final impression. He did have a healthy scratch during the Cup year. There were times when fans were genuinely frustrating. The form he showed in 2019 was not the same form as 2016 IMO when he was there too. There were some dings. All in all he was a world class #2 defenseman when it mattered.

I'm gonna stay out of the other stuff the rest of the way in this one, I gotta row for an hour and get creamer for the morning before this big game anyway. The key in this series is going to be who can get the lead because at least thus far both teams are lockdown deadly when they get the lead, particularly Winnipeg. Getting early leads tracks with the get Hellebuyck doubting goal as well. Let's go Blues!

agree. my point was he was the veteran/stabilizing presence they were counting on. losing him unexpectedly did Parayko absolutely no favors

[skilles]

Does any sane person want to debate this... Please stand up, if yes.

The defenseman that have been on the roster since Petro left were the candidates that Army saw as rebuilding after Petro.

Perunovich was around for 8 years, so I think it is pretty obvious that he was supposed to be some sort of replacement therapy.

Summary...
Army is still trying to rebuild after Petro.
Perunovich was a 2nd round pick.
A small percentage of 2nd round picks make an impact in the NHL.
Perunovich will not make an impact in the NHL.
Army tried to replace Petro, at least in part, with a draft pick that had barely a chance to make it in the NHL, much less replace star Petro (#4 Round 1).
Many on BluesTalk drank Army's koolaid and got burned.
Many on BluesTalk believe that high draft picks are not necessary.
The same BluesTalk fans that believe that high draft picks are not necessary have yet to notice that Petro hasn't been replaced in 5 years.

Army tried to replace Petro with Krug, also a horrific idea but certainly not Peru.

[bluetunehead]

The idea that ANYONE in the Blues organization thought Perunovich would help fill the Petro void is hilarious. The only player they were remotely counting on to do that was Parayko. And that was with the hope that guys like Faulk and Krug could help cover some of the offensive differences between the two.

If Perunovich was ever thought to be able to replace someone it was a guy like Vince Dunn. But it wasn’t meant to be.