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rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 12:11 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:54 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:49 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:43 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:39 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:36 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:45 am Thx duce

From Bernie 4/18:

CONTRERAS BATTING 2ND: For a time, manager Oli Marmol briefly moved Contreras down in the lineup, and that seemed to relax a hitter that was stressing under pressure when batting in the No. 2 spot.

Granted, it was only 17 plate appearances away from the second spot, but Contreras responded with a .313 average. .353 onbase percentage, and .563 slug. Plus a homer, double, three RBIs and only three strikeouts. The reset was helping.

Contreras was slotted back into the No. 2 spot for the last three games, and he’s hitless in 11 at-bats with three strikeouts.

In 61 plate appearances when utilized as STL’s No. 2 hitter this season. Contreras is 5 for 56 (.089) with a 36 percent strikeout rate.

Among the 27 MLB hitters that have logged at least 40 plate appearances when batting second this season, Contreras ranks last with his .089 average, and last with his 36% strikeout rate.

Marmol has to rethink his stance on using Contreras as the No. 2 guy

Lol. 14 games


I put more on that he's not catching and playing 1b...which he's doing very well.

Didn't he have a double yesterday?

Not to be forgotten is, we have faced some really good pitching. Sooner or later, it has to drop a notch. Then we will again see what we got on offense.

BUT

The Cardinals have done BETTER vs a lot of those "really good pitchers" while struggling vs to many of the "mehs".

Not many low caliber types. And most that we have faced are all coming off good former starts. All the Mets pitchers throw great last games before us.

Sooner or later we will get a guy or two in a rough stretch. Then we must do fdamage.

We’ve treaded water well through these pitchers.


Or maybe we are a team that plays to the level of its competition thus the beating of good pitchers.

And can't win on the road, in one run games or extra innings

Well those are new issues. Don’t know why the road is rough, but a couple xtra losses came on road, so it skews it a bit. As for losing in extra, that’s simply strategy. And I don’t think we do extras well.

Strategy and Oli, like oil and water.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 12:17 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 12:11 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:54 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:49 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:43 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:39 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:36 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:45 am Thx duce

From Bernie 4/18:

CONTRERAS BATTING 2ND: For a time, manager Oli Marmol briefly moved Contreras down in the lineup, and that seemed to relax a hitter that was stressing under pressure when batting in the No. 2 spot.

Granted, it was only 17 plate appearances away from the second spot, but Contreras responded with a .313 average. .353 onbase percentage, and .563 slug. Plus a homer, double, three RBIs and only three strikeouts. The reset was helping.

Contreras was slotted back into the No. 2 spot for the last three games, and he’s hitless in 11 at-bats with three strikeouts.

In 61 plate appearances when utilized as STL’s No. 2 hitter this season. Contreras is 5 for 56 (.089) with a 36 percent strikeout rate.

Among the 27 MLB hitters that have logged at least 40 plate appearances when batting second this season, Contreras ranks last with his .089 average, and last with his 36% strikeout rate.

Marmol has to rethink his stance on using Contreras as the No. 2 guy

Lol. 14 games


I put more on that he's not catching and playing 1b...which he's doing very well.

Didn't he have a double yesterday?

Not to be forgotten is, we have faced some really good pitching. Sooner or later, it has to drop a notch. Then we will again see what we got on offense.

BUT

The Cardinals have done BETTER vs a lot of those "really good pitchers" while struggling vs to many of the "mehs".

Not many low caliber types. And most that we have faced are all coming off good former starts. All the Mets pitchers throw great last games before us.

Sooner or later we will get a guy or two in a rough stretch. Then we must do fdamage.

We’ve treaded water well through these pitchers.


Or maybe we are a team that plays to the level of its competition thus the beating of good pitchers.

And can't win on the road, in one run games or extra innings

Well those are new issues. Don’t know why the road is rough, but a couple xtra losses came on road, so it skews it a bit. As for losing in extra, that’s simply strategy. And I don’t think we do extras well.

Strategy and Oli, like oil and water.

We have scored two times in the tenth, once each in the eleventh and twelfth. All losses.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:45 am Thx duce

From Bernie 4/18:

CONTRERAS BATTING 2ND: For a time, manager Oli Marmol briefly moved Contreras down in the lineup, and that seemed to relax a hitter that was stressing under pressure when batting in the No. 2 spot.

Granted, it was only 17 plate appearances away from the second spot, but Contreras responded with a .313 average. .353 onbase percentage, and .563 slug. Plus a homer, double, three RBIs and only three strikeouts. The reset was helping.

Contreras was slotted back into the No. 2 spot for the last three games, and he’s hitless in 11 at-bats with three strikeouts.

In 61 plate appearances when utilized as STL’s No. 2 hitter this season. Contreras is 5 for 56 (.089) with a 36 percent strikeout rate.

Among the 27 MLB hitters that have logged at least 40 plate appearances when batting second this season, Contreras ranks last with his .089 average, and last with his 36% strikeout rate.

Marmol has to rethink his stance on using Contreras as the No. 2 guy

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:40 am Never gonna learn anything is he? Burly and Contreras.

Mort Gage wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:17 am Walker is 2 for his last 16. Three XBH this season. 23 Ks to 5 BBs. I don't mind seeing him get a day off. The offense after its initial burst has begun its regression to the mean. But I like what Liberatore has done and see a good start from him today on national TV.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 13:30 pm

Mort Gage wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:17 am Walker is 2 for his last 16. Three XBH this season. 23 Ks to 5 BBs. I don't mind seeing him get a day off. The offense after its initial burst has begun its regression to the mean. But I like what Liberatore has done and see a good start from him today on national TV.

Yep, last 14 days the offense is hitting .250/.311/.365. They've dealt with some injuries (Herrera, Gorman, Winn), but still. Walker hasn't been good, Contreras continues to suck, Burleson isn't any good, Nootbaar can only hit at Busch, Pages has a .406 OPS over his last 35 PAs, etc.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 13:48 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 13:30 pm

Mort Gage wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:17 am Walker is 2 for his last 16. Three XBH this season. 23 Ks to 5 BBs. I don't mind seeing him get a day off. The offense after its initial burst has begun its regression to the mean. But I like what Liberatore has done and see a good start from him today on national TV.

Yep, last 14 days the offense is hitting .250/.311/.365. They've dealt with some injuries (Herrera, Gorman, Winn), but still. Walker hasn't been good, Contreras continues to suck, Burleson isn't any good, Nootbaar can only hit at Busch, Pages has a .406 OPS over his last 35 PAs, etc.

Yeah, what the flying F happened to Burleson? In 23 he may have been the unluckiest hitter in MLB but he was hitting ropes all over the field. Then it looked like his lucked evened out the first half of last season, not to mention he was putting them in the stands at an All-Star clip. I thought we were witnessing the beginning of a future MV3 component at work.

Then he started chasing ... ever since, might as well replace him with a hot dog vendor. Cause that's his future at this rate and any AAA-AAAA player could replicate his production over the last 200 abs.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:42 am Same old song and dance, my friends.

Shady wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 13:11 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:45 am Thx duce

From Bernie 4/18:

CONTRERAS BATTING 2ND: For a time, manager Oli Marmol briefly moved Contreras down in the lineup, and that seemed to relax a hitter that was stressing under pressure when batting in the No. 2 spot.

Granted, it was only 17 plate appearances away from the second spot, but Contreras responded with a .313 average. .353 onbase percentage, and .563 slug. Plus a homer, double, three RBIs and only three strikeouts. The reset was helping.

Contreras was slotted back into the No. 2 spot for the last three games, and he’s hitless in 11 at-bats with three strikeouts.

In 61 plate appearances when utilized as STL’s No. 2 hitter this season. Contreras is 5 for 56 (.089) with a 36 percent strikeout rate.

Among the 27 MLB hitters that have logged at least 40 plate appearances when batting second this season, Contreras ranks last with his .089 average, and last with his 36% strikeout rate.

Marmol has to rethink his stance on using Contreras as the No. 2 guy

Today, should be Saggese at 2, Contreras at 5, Burleson at 6. Possibly, Gorman at 6. Cards need a seasonal breakout game from either Burly or Gorman. Both would be nice.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 13:48 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 13:30 pm

Mort Gage wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:17 am Walker is 2 for his last 16. Three XBH this season. 23 Ks to 5 BBs. I don't mind seeing him get a day off. The offense after its initial burst has begun its regression to the mean. But I like what Liberatore has done and see a good start from him today on national TV.

Yep, last 14 days the offense is hitting .250/.311/.365. They've dealt with some injuries (Herrera, Gorman, Winn), but still. Walker hasn't been good, Contreras continues to suck, Burleson isn't any good, Nootbaar can only hit at Busch, Pages has a .406 OPS over his last 35 PAs, etc.

Yeah, what the flying F happened to Burleson? In 23 he may have been the unluckiest hitter in MLB but he was hitting ropes all over the field. Then it looked like his lucked evened out the first half of last season, not to mention he was putting them in the stands at an All-Star clip. I thought we were witnessing the beginning of a future MV3 component at work.

Then he started chasing ... ever since, might as well replace him with a hot dog vendor. Cause that's his future at this rate and any AAA-AAAA player could replicate his production over the last 200 abs.

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:24 am

82birds wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:48 am thx Duce

I dislike 3:05pm starts.
usually a shade/bright sunlight between mound and HP at least late in game (at least in summertime)


but......today.....,,.
I reallly dislike it cuz with a 12:15 start the game would be over far before Blues game starts at 5pm.

now they will overlap, at least somewhat

of course if they Cards are out of it by late game....

I was thinking the same thing. I want to watch both but the Blues are a "must watch"..

82birds wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 14:26 pm

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:24 am

82birds wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:48 am thx Duce

I dislike 3:05pm starts.
usually a shade/bright sunlight between mound and HP at least late in game (at least in summertime)


but......today.....,,.
I reallly dislike it cuz with a 12:15 start the game would be over far before Blues game starts at 5pm.

now they will overlap, at least somewhat

of course if they Cards are out of it by late game....

I was thinking the same thing. I want to watch both but the Blues are a "must watch"..

must watch cuz it's a must win.
okay not a must win, but, if they lose the opener that would not be good at all
so, pretty much, a must win

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 14:29 pm

82birds wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 14:26 pm

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:24 am

82birds wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:48 am thx Duce

I dislike 3:05pm starts.
usually a shade/bright sunlight between mound and HP at least late in game (at least in summertime)


but......today.....,,.
I reallly dislike it cuz with a 12:15 start the game would be over far before Blues game starts at 5pm.

now they will overlap, at least somewhat

of course if they Cards are out of it by late game....

I was thinking the same thing. I want to watch both but the Blues are a "must watch"..

must watch cuz it's a must win.
okay not a must win, but, if they lose the opener that would not be good at all
so, pretty much, a must win

I'll have two TV's going unless the Cards are getting killed.

GO Cards!

Let's GO Blues!

82birds wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 14:35 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 14:29 pm

82birds wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 14:26 pm

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 11:24 am

82birds wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 10:48 am thx Duce

I dislike 3:05pm starts.
usually a shade/bright sunlight between mound and HP at least late in game (at least in summertime)


but......today.....,,.
I reallly dislike it cuz with a 12:15 start the game would be over far before Blues game starts at 5pm.

now they will overlap, at least somewhat

of course if they Cards are out of it by late game....

I was thinking the same thing. I want to watch both but the Blues are a "must watch"..

must watch cuz it's a must win.
okay not a must win, but, if they lose the opener that would not be good at all
so, pretty much, a must win

I'll have two TV's going unless the Cards are getting killed.

GO Cards!

Let's GO Blues!

Blues 5pm Central on TNT