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An Old Friend wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 19:02 pm Designated hitters don’t lose runs. My gawd.

And they do nothing to prevent runs (another important aspect of the game). And the positional +/- is all about comparisons.
Is a LF as valuable overall as a SS - or DH?

This. It's the relativity to other positions that matters. They could have designed it with DH having a 0 positional adjustment and C having a +30 adjustment, but then they'd have to lower the baseline later, like they do when they go from RAA (runs above average) to RAR (runs above replacement), so instead they just centered all positions around 0 (some above, some below).

Numbers accumulated while being a DH should not count in calculating WAR. I would say the same regarding career totals. DH has a much lower risk of injury because he sits on the bench for the entire game except for the 4 or 5 times he walks to the batters box. He doesn't need to own a glove. He isn't a baseball player. He is a batter.

You have to score runs to win baseball games. Why would you NOT count an offensive player's offensive contributions?

That's absurd.

The Cardinals catcher is barely above the Mendoza line. He plays because Herrera can't catch. WAR doesn't factor the drag on the offense from Herrera's inability to play a position.

That’s the fault of the front office, not Herrera.

Misdirected Hostility

No hostility. I don't care enough to get emotional about it. Just stating the obvious flaw with WAR.

Trying to push negative value from one player onto another is not a flaw of the model.

Misdirected Hostility is a song title

My point is that you wanting to put some sort of blame on/ negative value on Herrera for Pages’ shortcomings is misguided.

It's valid. Without the DH Herrera would be catching to the detriment of the team or he would be on the bench waiting to pinch hit. Major flaw with WAR and why DH numbers should not count toward WAR.

It is a world that doesn't exist.
In that world, who's to say that it isn't Pages who is receiving the benefit. An OPS of .594
doesn't play unless your D is golden.