Page 15 of 15
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 15:52 pm
by hugeCardfan
Youboughtit wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 18:05 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 17:54 pm
We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.
Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.
Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.
Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.
New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.
How does that foot taste?

Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 16:29 pm
by desertrat23
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 15:52 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 18:05 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 17:54 pm
We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.
Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.
Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.
Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.
New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.
How does that foot taste?
There’s 118 games left…
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 21:53 pm
by hugeCardfan
desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 16:29 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 15:52 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 18:05 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 17:54 pm
We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.
Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.
Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.
Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.
New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.
How does that foot taste?
There’s 118 games left…
How about now?
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 22:41 pm
by desertrat23
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:53 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 16:29 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 15:52 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 18:05 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 17:54 pm
We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.
Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.
Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.
Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.
New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.
How does that foot taste?
There’s 118 games left…
How about now?
117?
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 22:48 pm
by 1_12_1968
desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 22:41 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:53 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 16:29 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 15:52 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 18:05 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 17:54 pm
We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.
Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.
Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.
Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.
New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.
How does that foot taste?
There’s 118 games left…
How about now?
117?
These guys have the second best record against winning teams for a reason. They have jelled.
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 23:17 pm
by hugeCardfan
Gets confusing…. Goes from can’t win, to can’t win away, to can’t beat good teams, to there’s still 117 games to play.
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 23:28 pm
by ramfandan
With 117 left , let's do some hypothetical map . Not making prediction .. just so 'what if ' scenarios pertaining to final records.
With 25-20 and 117 games remaining , if the Cards went 59-58 .500+ ball , they would be 84-79
For those who said the team would win 70 games , that would be 45 - 72 for the final 117 games
for the few who thought this would be disaster of 60 win season , 35 - 82 for the remainder of the season .
If it took 89 wins for wildcard spot, if that holds for 2025 , the team would need a 64 wins & 53 losses the final 117 to reach the playoffs.
Knowing those numbers , which of those above would you think for the final 117 games ?
PS For a 90 win season , 65-52 is needed .
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 23:46 pm
by desertrat23
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:17 pm
Gets confusing…. Goes from can’t win, to can’t win away, to can’t beat good teams, to there’s still 117 games to play.
What’s confusing about it?
They’ve won 12 of their last 15. Very impressive. They lost nine of the 15 before that. Not very impressive. Is one 15-game stretch more meaningful than another? They’re five games over .500, which is respectable but no one would call it amazing.
Why is it not possible to acknowledge they’re playing good baseball (which they are) without thinking they’re some powerhouse WS team that erases every misstep they’ve made over the past several years?
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 23:54 pm
by 1_12_1968
desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:46 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:17 pm
Gets confusing…. Goes from can’t win, to can’t win away, to can’t beat good teams, to there’s still 117 games to play.
What’s confusing about it?
They’ve won 12 of their last 15. Very impressive. They lost nine of the 15 before that. Not very impressive. Is one 15-game stretch more meaningful than another? They’re five games over .500, which is respectable but no one would call it amazing.
Why is it not possible to acknowledge they’re playing good baseball (which they are) without thinking they’re some powerhouse WS team that erases every misstep they’ve made over the past several years?
When you win matters. 2004 was a 500 team until June. If management adds a deadline player or two the could end up very good.
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 16 May 2025 23:55 pm
by desertrat23
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:28 pm
With 117 left , let's do some hypothetical map . Not making prediction .. just so 'what if ' scenarios pertaining to final records.
With 25-20 and 117 games remaining , if the Cards went 59-58 .500+ ball , they would be 84-79
For those who said the team would win 70 games , that would be 45 - 72 for the final 117 games
for the few who thought this would be disaster of 60 win season , 35 - 82 for the remainder of the season .
If it took 89 wins for wildcard spot, if that holds for 2025 , the team would need a 64 wins & 53 losses the final 117 to reach the playoffs.
Knowing those numbers , which of those above would you think for the final 117 games ?
PS For a 90 win season , 65-52 is needed .
I figured a few games on either side of .500 at the start of the year. Nothing I’ve seen either way so far has changed my mind.
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 17 May 2025 00:00 am
by desertrat23
1_12_1968 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:54 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:46 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:17 pm
Gets confusing…. Goes from can’t win, to can’t win away, to can’t beat good teams, to there’s still 117 games to play.
What’s confusing about it?
They’ve won 12 of their last 15. Very impressive. They lost nine of the 15 before that. Not very impressive. Is one 15-game stretch more meaningful than another? They’re five games over .500, which is respectable but no one would call it amazing.
Why is it not possible to acknowledge they’re playing good baseball (which they are) without thinking they’re some powerhouse WS team that erases every misstep they’ve made over the past several years?
When you win matters. 2004 was a 500 team until June. If management adds a deadline player or two the could end up very good.
That’s fair. I certainly have no confidence in MO’s ability to add a Hall of Famer like Larry Walker in 2004, but we’ll see.
Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 17 May 2025 08:34 am
by hugeCardfan
desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:46 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:17 pm
Gets confusing…. Goes from can’t win, to can’t win away, to can’t beat good teams, to there’s still 117 games to play.
What’s confusing about it?
They’ve won 12 of their last 15. Very impressive. They lost nine of the 15 before that. Not very impressive. Is one 15-game stretch more meaningful than another? They’re five games over .500, which is respectable but no one would call it amazing.
Why is it not possible to acknowledge they’re playing good baseball (which they are) without thinking they’re some powerhouse WS team that erases every misstep they’ve made over the past several years?
The forms of denial are what seems confusing. It began with assurances from some that we were nothing more than a AAA team without a prayer to win 70 games. We were a conglomerate of players with middling talent and anyone with any value should be packaged and traded. How dare the team not trade Fedde, Helsley, Arenado, Gray, even Donovan and Nootbaar….
The team starts by sweeping a very good Twins team and wait until the season drags them down. By the way they can’t win on the road. Not let’s fix the pen. They can’t…. Oh, and they can’t beat a good team.
Now we’ve beaten teams on the road, we’ve beaten the Mets in St Louis, Phillies in Philadelphia, manhandled KC last night… He’ll we might be pretty good now that we’ve fixed the pen. Yebbut we got 118 chances to lose…. No acknowledgement that they might just be a whole lot better than we thought. No sireee.

Re: I’m happy where the Cardinals are
Posted: 17 May 2025 22:31 pm
by desertrat23
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑17 May 2025 08:34 am
desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:46 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑16 May 2025 23:17 pm
Gets confusing…. Goes from can’t win, to can’t win away, to can’t beat good teams, to there’s still 117 games to play.
What’s confusing about it?
They’ve won 12 of their last 15. Very impressive. They lost nine of the 15 before that. Not very impressive. Is one 15-game stretch more meaningful than another? They’re five games over .500, which is respectable but no one would call it amazing.
Why is it not possible to acknowledge they’re playing good baseball (which they are) without thinking they’re some powerhouse WS team that erases every misstep they’ve made over the past several years?
The forms of denial are what seems confusing. It began with assurances from some that we were nothing more than a AAA team without a prayer to win 70 games. We were a conglomerate of players with middling talent and anyone with any value should be packaged and traded. How dare the team not trade Fedde, Helsley, Arenado, Gray, even Donovan and Nootbaar….
The team starts by sweeping a very good Twins team and wait until the season drags them down. By the way they can’t win on the road. Not let’s fix the pen. They can’t…. Oh, and they can’t beat a good team.
Now we’ve beaten teams on the road, we’ve beaten the Mets in St Louis, Phillies in Philadelphia, manhandled KC last night… He’ll we might be pretty good now that we’ve fixed the pen. Yebbut we got 118 chances to lose…. No acknowledgement that they might just be a whole lot better than we thought. No sireee.
They might be. They might not be. 116 games left.