11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 13:30 pm
The Pujols situation was soured because the team neglected Pujols while at the same time signing Holliday to a bigger deal.
Pujols saw that as a slight and I don't blame him.
The rest of what these FO boot lickers are saying is just [nonsense].
If they had taken care of Pujols first the outrageousness of the Angel money had never came about.
FO boot lickers? How nice. Maybe some posters are just a little more understanding of how complicated the industry is right now.
I'm talking about the Pujols situation that some of you usual suspects are gaslighting people on.
Pujols was offered a 5 year contract so he could be a free agent again. His wife was insulted. The Cards went to a 10 year contract that was way above where they wanted to go. The Angels bypassed the agent, went right to Albert, and blew his doors off with a larger 10 year contract followed by a 10 year personals services contract.
After the Holliday deal.
That was the rift.
How long was the 10 year deal vs Holliday's deal?
You know better.
They offered Holliday his club record deal BEFORE Pujols and Holliday hadn't done anything here yet.
What came later didn't matter any more. It was a lame attempt to save face once the disrespect was done.
Why are people complaining about Pujols not being signed? That was the best thing that happened. Mo was saved once again from an awful awful contract and he came back for his last season and had a come back it was win win
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 15:06 pm
Why are people complaining about Pujols not being signed? That was the best thing that happened. Mo was saved once again from an awful awful contract and he came back for his last season and had a come back it was win win
Not complaining about not being signed.
Just clearing a misconception among those wanting to defend a position which isn't completely forthright.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 13:30 pm
The Pujols situation was soured because the team neglected Pujols while at the same time signing Holliday to a bigger deal.
Pujols saw that as a slight and I don't blame him.
The rest of what these FO boot lickers are saying is just [nonsense].
If they had taken care of Pujols first the outrageousness of the Angel money had never came about.
FO boot lickers? How nice. Maybe some posters are just a little more understanding of how complicated the industry is right now.
I'm talking about the Pujols situation that some of you usual suspects are gaslighting people on.
Pujols was offered a 5 year contract so he could be a free agent again. His wife was insulted. The Cards went to a 10 year contract that was way above where they wanted to go. The Angels bypassed the agent, went right to Albert, and blew his doors off with a larger 10 year contract followed by a 10 year personals services contract.
After the Holliday deal.
That was the rift.
How long was the 10 year deal vs Holliday's deal?
You know better.
They offered Holliday his club record deal BEFORE Pujols and Holliday hadn't done anything here yet.
What came later didn't matter any more. It was a lame attempt to save face once the disrespect was done.
You know it and so does everyone else.
It wasn't a lame effort at all. AP's wife was insulted, so the Cardinals went way beyond their comfort level and offered AP a 10 year deal. Business is business. AP would have signed if the Angels hadn't come out of nowhere with a really stupid deal, and told Albert that there are a lot more Latinos in LA, and he will be a real hero there.
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 15:06 pm
Why are people complaining about Pujols not being signed? That was the best thing that happened. Mo was saved once again from an awful awful contract and he came back for his last season and had a come back it was win win
Not complaining about not being signed.
Just clearing a misconception among those wanting to defend a position which isn't completely forthright.
Get it now?
Oh yea the cardinals did screw up the negotiations but it was one of those things where it was lucky for them they did screw them up
11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 13:30 pm
The Pujols situation was soured because the team neglected Pujols while at the same time signing Holliday to a bigger deal.
Pujols saw that as a slight and I don't blame him.
The rest of what these FO boot lickers are saying is just [nonsense].
If they had taken care of Pujols first the outrageousness of the Angel money had never came about.
FO boot lickers? How nice. Maybe some posters are just a little more understanding of how complicated the industry is right now.
I'm talking about the Pujols situation that some of you usual suspects are gaslighting people on.
Pujols was offered a 5 year contract so he could be a free agent again. His wife was insulted. The Cards went to a 10 year contract that was way above where they wanted to go. The Angels bypassed the agent, went right to Albert, and blew his doors off with a larger 10 year contract followed by a 10 year personals services contract.
After the Holliday deal.
That was the rift.
How long was the 10 year deal vs Holliday's deal?
You know better.
They offered Holliday his club record deal BEFORE Pujols and Holliday hadn't done anything here yet.
What came later didn't matter any more. It was a lame attempt to save face once the disrespect was done.
You know it and so does everyone else.
It wasn't a lame effort at all. AP's wife was insulted, so the Cardinals went way beyond their comfort level and offered AP a 10 year deal. Business is business. AP would have signed if the Angels hadn't come out of nowhere with a really stupid deal, and told Albert that there are a lot more Latinos in LA, and he will be a real hero there.
You continue to willingly miss the point.
Pujols should have been dealt with immediately after the Holliday contract if not given an extension right before and tear up his existing deal and take care of their generational talent and face for the franchise if indeed they had plans to keep him as a Cardinal for his career.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 13:30 pm
The Pujols situation was soured because the team neglected Pujols while at the same time signing Holliday to a bigger deal.
Pujols saw that as a slight and I don't blame him.
The rest of what these FO boot lickers are saying is just [nonsense].
If they had taken care of Pujols first the outrageousness of the Angel money had never came about.
FO boot lickers? How nice. Maybe some posters are just a little more understanding of how complicated the industry is right now.
I'm talking about the Pujols situation that some of you usual suspects are gaslighting people on.
Pujols was offered a 5 year contract so he could be a free agent again. His wife was insulted. The Cards went to a 10 year contract that was way above where they wanted to go. The Angels bypassed the agent, went right to Albert, and blew his doors off with a larger 10 year contract followed by a 10 year personals services contract.
After the Holliday deal.
That was the rift.
How long was the 10 year deal vs Holliday's deal?
You know better.
They offered Holliday his club record deal BEFORE Pujols and Holliday hadn't done anything here yet.
What came later didn't matter any more. It was a lame attempt to save face once the disrespect was done.
You know it and so does everyone else.
It wasn't a lame effort at all. AP's wife was insulted, so the Cardinals went way beyond their comfort level and offered AP a 10 year deal. Business is business. AP would have signed if the Angels hadn't come out of nowhere with a really stupid deal, and told Albert that there are a lot more Latinos in LA, and he will be a real hero there.
You continue to willingly miss the point.
Pujols should have been dealt with immediately after the Holliday contract if not given an extension right before and tear up his existing deal and take care of their generational talent and face for the franchise if indeed they had plans to keep him as a Cardinal for his career.
Admit that and move on.
Stop with this obtuse nonsense.
Okay, 11WS. You’re right. You always seem like you feel you’re right, so I won’t waste your time anymore.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 13:30 pm
The Pujols situation was soured because the team neglected Pujols while at the same time signing Holliday to a bigger deal.
Pujols saw that as a slight and I don't blame him.
The rest of what these FO boot lickers are saying is just [nonsense].
If they had taken care of Pujols first the outrageousness of the Angel money had never came about.
FO boot lickers? How nice. Maybe some posters are just a little more understanding of how complicated the industry is right now.
I'm talking about the Pujols situation that some of you usual suspects are gaslighting people on.
Pujols was offered a 5 year contract so he could be a free agent again. His wife was insulted. The Cards went to a 10 year contract that was way above where they wanted to go. The Angels bypassed the agent, went right to Albert, and blew his doors off with a larger 10 year contract followed by a 10 year personals services contract.
After the Holliday deal.
That was the rift.
How long was the 10 year deal vs Holliday's deal?
You know better.
They offered Holliday his club record deal BEFORE Pujols and Holliday hadn't done anything here yet.
What came later didn't matter any more. It was a lame attempt to save face once the disrespect was done.
You know it and so does everyone else.
It wasn't a lame effort at all. AP's wife was insulted, so the Cardinals went way beyond their comfort level and offered AP a 10 year deal. Business is business. AP would have signed if the Angels hadn't come out of nowhere with a really stupid deal, and told Albert that there are a lot more Latinos in LA, and he will be a real hero there.
You continue to willingly miss the point.
Pujols should have been dealt with immediately after the Holliday contract if not given an extension right before and tear up his existing deal and take care of their generational talent and face for the franchise if indeed they had plans to keep him as a Cardinal for his career.
Admit that and move on.
Stop with this obtuse nonsense.
Okay, 11WS. You’re right. You always seem like you feel you’re right, so I won’t waste your time anymore.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 13:30 pm
The Pujols situation was soured because the team neglected Pujols while at the same time signing Holliday to a bigger deal.
Pujols saw that as a slight and I don't blame him.
The rest of what these FO boot lickers are saying is just [nonsense].
If they had taken care of Pujols first the outrageousness of the Angel money had never came about.
FO boot lickers? How nice. Maybe some posters are just a little more understanding of how complicated the industry is right now.
I'm talking about the Pujols situation that some of you usual suspects are gaslighting people on.
Pujols was offered a 5 year contract so he could be a free agent again. His wife was insulted. The Cards went to a 10 year contract that was way above where they wanted to go. The Angels bypassed the agent, went right to Albert, and blew his doors off with a larger 10 year contract followed by a 10 year personals services contract.
After the Holliday deal.
That was the rift.
How long was the 10 year deal vs Holliday's deal?
You know better.
They offered Holliday his club record deal BEFORE Pujols and Holliday hadn't done anything here yet.
What came later didn't matter any more. It was a lame attempt to save face once the disrespect was done.
You know it and so does everyone else.
It wasn't a lame effort at all. AP's wife was insulted, so the Cardinals went way beyond their comfort level and offered AP a 10 year deal. Business is business. AP would have signed if the Angels hadn't come out of nowhere with a really stupid deal, and told Albert that there are a lot more Latinos in LA, and he will be a real hero there.
You continue to willingly miss the point.
Pujols should have been dealt with immediately after the Holliday contract if not given an extension right before and tear up his existing deal and take care of their generational talent and face for the franchise if indeed they had plans to keep him as a Cardinal for his career.
Admit that and move on.
Stop with this obtuse nonsense.
Okay, 11WS. You’re right. You always seem like you feel you’re right, so I won’t waste your time anymore.
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 17:54 pm
We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.
Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.
Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.
Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.
New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.
Plenty of room for Eeyores. Much rides on health and player development. I’m not against counting on a little luck, even some Cardinal pixie dust, but I don’t believe 90-100 losses for a second. Won’t happen.
Have you seen the youth? Going young with the 23rd ranked farm last year is a recipe for disaster. Teams go young when they have the Orioles type talent in the farm. You must see something no one else does.
Still denigrating the young players? Seems there is more than just a little hope for Herrera, Walker, Scott II, Gorman, Pages, Baker, etc...on top of Winn, Donovan and Nootbar.
Good role players. Add a couple legit top 3 at their position and top 20 SP and they would be fine. Adding to the top with the 100m that will be cleared after this season by signing superstars is the key. Time will tell. Otherwise it’s a .500 team trying for the last WC at best and that will not fill the stadium. Top end superstars or a WS contender will.
So you are still predicting a 60 to 70 win season and absolute disaster unless DeWitt quickly changes direction and spends 200M. Talk about whiplash.
I think you are mistaken on the situation and the direction the Cards will be taking, both immediate steps and down the road. I don’t think each of the players are destined to be just role players. I look forward to the snapping in of Davis, JJ, McGreevy and Mathews. A little Later Tink and Roby. Who they select with the #5 draft pick. How Chaim impacts their development.
There is no need for panic or overkill. We have good parts and the people in place to build a winner. Sorry you don’t see that yet.
Absolutely. Don’t get too excited over 4-2 against bottom 8 teams at home.
You have no basis for the Twins to be a bottom 8 team. They were above .500 last year. I expect the same this year.
mizfan wrote: ↑05 Apr 2025 23:39 pm
The OP won't be happy where they are on Memorial Day.
Thanks Nostradamus. All left field predictions happily excepted (sic).
I just want to see players adapt to the majors and the team gel. When, isn’t super critical to me. I believe these guys will be better than many think. That appears to include you.
CraigPaquette wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025 23:58 pm
So what is the name of the poster who has 4 idiots included in the name? Add a couple of others (including yourself) to those that think this team is worthy of any significant win total. This team will not win 75 games. I don't know if people are high or excessively drunk therefore I'm guessing there are a few on here who are carrying MO's aliases. Have you watched this team in the last 2 years and this year's ST? This team will be fortunate to finish 4th or 5th place in the central.
Still believe this? I'll take the over on 75 wins. Want to make a personal bet?
Yes, as a matter of fact I would. Just name the terms. No better than 4th place or 75 win total?
11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Apr 2025 13:30 pm
The Pujols situation was soured because the team neglected Pujols while at the same time signing Holliday to a bigger deal.
Pujols saw that as a slight and I don't blame him.
The rest of what these FO boot lickers are saying is just [nonsense].
If they had taken care of Pujols first the outrageousness of the Angel money had never came about.
FO boot lickers? How nice. Maybe some posters are just a little more understanding of how complicated the industry is right now.
I'm talking about the Pujols situation that some of you usual suspects are gaslighting people on.
Pujols was offered a 5 year contract so he could be a free agent again. His wife was insulted. The Cards went to a 10 year contract that was way above where they wanted to go. The Angels bypassed the agent, went right to Albert, and blew his doors off with a larger 10 year contract followed by a 10 year personals services contract.
After the Holliday deal.
That was the rift.
How long was the 10 year deal vs Holliday's deal?
You know better.
They offered Holliday his club record deal BEFORE Pujols and Holliday hadn't done anything here yet.
What came later didn't matter any more. It was a lame attempt to save face once the disrespect was done.
You know it and so does everyone else.
It wasn't a lame effort at all. AP's wife was insulted, so the Cardinals went way beyond their comfort level and offered AP a 10 year deal. Business is business. AP would have signed if the Angels hadn't come out of nowhere with a really stupid deal, and told Albert that there are a lot more Latinos in LA, and he will be a real hero there.
You continue to willingly miss the point.
Pujols should have been dealt with immediately after the Holliday contract if not given an extension right before and tear up his existing deal and take care of their generational talent and face for the franchise if indeed they had plans to keep him as a Cardinal for his career.
Admit that and move on.
Stop with this obtuse nonsense.
Okay, 11WS. You’re right. You always seem like you feel you’re right, so I won’t waste your time anymore.
I don’t think so. Albert was proffered an unprecedented contract at his 3 year mark of over 110 M. There is no obligation to renegotiate a contract based on another player’s deal. That would have strictly been up to DeWitt. Pretty sure AP wouldn’t have wanted a renegotiation had he flopped. If AP felt slighted, that’s too bad. I don’t believe that he was. Moreover, I’m glad it worked out the way it did. An extension would have been an expensive mistake.
Plenty of room for Eeyores. Much rides on health and player development. I’m not against counting on a little luck, even some Cardinal pixie dust, but I don’t believe 90-100 losses for a second. Won’t happen.