OT: Arby's closes more locations

[Absolut]

Arby’s sucks. Raise your standards folks

[Cranny]

I find it more troubling that a lot of the Hardee's are closing.

They make a great breakfast biscuit.

Good point. It is great.

Cranny don’t you find it hilariously ironic that probably 15-20% of threads have YOU, WLTF, and RED in a scrum at the bottom closing them out???
And now you have BOTH RED and WLTF on IGNORE…..who else has these issues??
This is pure comedy for the rest of us

Down thru the years (many) I have found you can't have a baseball conservation with Cranny. He always claims to be right and has to have the last word. He claims to have me on ignore but still comments on my posts or makes comments on what he thinks I posted when it is not true. Also, when you prove him wrong, he moves the topic to suit his agenda. And it gets a little old to always be reminded of his military service, playing college football and baseball when he is trying to prove his point. His constant backing of Matheny as manager, ownership and finances grates at many of us and then he is the victim when I don't agree with him. I have often repeated the original thread hoping he would return to the original topic with no use.

This is on a long chain of posts on a thread, so it’s readable.

Thank you very much, Red. You’re a true gentleman.
This isn’t about baseball or the Cardinals, so in truth this type of garbage is probably of little interest to most posters.

[WLTFE]

If you have someone on ignore can you read their post?...or are you a liar?

[riff raff]

Simp Alert

[kscardsfan]

5 for 5 back in the 80"s? was the best deal ever. Cost me about 20 pounds twice a week for lunch.

[CCard]

Operating costs do not equal profit. That's ridiculous. A while back I posted an article from Forbes that showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars. That profit, not operating expenses. With a payroll at the time that was about 175 million. Deduct the operating costs from the profit and still it looks pretty good. Now they've cut payroll to the bone. Will people come out to watch these guys? I won't. That being said, unless you have a 401k, this economy is killing you. Everything has gone up and continues to go up. I'd expect attendance to be down no matter what.

It's operating income. Operating income is, roughly, profits.

The Cardinals' operating revenue is about $350 million.

As I said.

You said, "...showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars." There is no "profit" of $350 million.

Operating income/profit = revenue - expenses

The Forbes data shows the Cardinals average operating income/profit over a decade at $27 million per year.

https://twinstrivia.com/2025/04/05/mlb- ... s-payroll/

Your numbers sound ludicrous. If a team had a margin of only 27 million dollars then any team that signed a high priced free agent would be losing money. Preposterous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenh ... ince-2010/

They are Forbes' numbers, and the only source I'm aware of for comparable numbers for all 30 MLB teams.

BTW, per your 2nd link, $8 billion in profit over a decade for 30 teams would be ~$27 million a year, per team.

Doesn't change the facts. Anyway you slice it. I posted the Forbes link. Read it.

[imetsatchelpaige]

Arby’s sucks. Raise your standards folks

Agreed.

[Cardinals1964]

Arby’s sucks. Raise your standards folks

Agreed.

Disagree.

[mattmitchl44]

Operating costs do not equal profit. That's ridiculous. A while back I posted an article from Forbes that showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars. That profit, not operating expenses. With a payroll at the time that was about 175 million. Deduct the operating costs from the profit and still it looks pretty good. Now they've cut payroll to the bone. Will people come out to watch these guys? I won't. That being said, unless you have a 401k, this economy is killing you. Everything has gone up and continues to go up. I'd expect attendance to be down no matter what.

It's operating income. Operating income is, roughly, profits.

The Cardinals' operating revenue is about $350 million.

As I said.

You said, "...showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars." There is no "profit" of $350 million.

Operating income/profit = revenue - expenses

The Forbes data shows the Cardinals average operating income/profit over a decade at $27 million per year.

https://twinstrivia.com/2025/04/05/mlb- ... s-payroll/

Your numbers sound ludicrous. If a team had a margin of only 27 million dollars then any team that signed a high priced free agent would be losing money. Preposterous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenh ... ince-2010/

They are Forbes' numbers, and the only source I'm aware of for comparable numbers for all 30 MLB teams.

BTW, per your 2nd link, $8 billion in profit over a decade for 30 teams would be ~$27 million a year, per team.

Doesn't change the facts. Anyway you slice it. I posted the Forbes link. Read it.

Your're right, it doesn't change the facts. The Forbes numbers show the following for each team's average "operating income" (as close a number to "profits" as we're going to have) over 2015-2024:

The average if you include the Mets is +$17.5 million. The average if you exclude the Mets is +$20.8 million.

Boston - +$63 million
Cubs - +$59
San Francisco - +$48
Pittsburgh - +$44
Houston - +$42
Atlanta - +$38
Milwaukee - +$33
Seattle - +$33
Baltimore - +$32
Cleveland - +$31
Tampa Bay - +$29
Philadelphia - +$28
Angels - +$27
St. Louis - +$27
Texas - +$21
______________________Median & Avg. w/o Mets of $20.8 million
Washington - +$20
______________________Avg. with Mets of $17.5 million
Arizona - +$16
Kansas City - +$15
Cincinnati - +$13
Dodgers - +$10
Minnesota - +$9
White Sox - +$6
Athletics - +$6
Colorado - $0
Detroit - -$1
Miami - -$4
San Diego - -$6
Yankee - -$14
Toronto - -$22
Mets - -$79

[WLTFE]

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dump[fork] alert

[sikeston bulldog2]

Sunrise.
And a new days breaking through.
Searching.
Through another day, without you.

As the hours roll by. No one dare, dare see me cry.
Except the Sunrise.
The sunrise and you.

Uriah Heep

[CCard]

Operating costs do not equal profit. That's ridiculous. A while back I posted an article from Forbes that showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars. That profit, not operating expenses. With a payroll at the time that was about 175 million. Deduct the operating costs from the profit and still it looks pretty good. Now they've cut payroll to the bone. Will people come out to watch these guys? I won't. That being said, unless you have a 401k, this economy is killing you. Everything has gone up and continues to go up. I'd expect attendance to be down no matter what.

It's operating income. Operating income is, roughly, profits.

The Cardinals' operating revenue is about $350 million.

As I said.

You said, "...showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars." There is no "profit" of $350 million.

Operating income/profit = revenue - expenses

The Forbes data shows the Cardinals average operating income/profit over a decade at $27 million per year.

https://twinstrivia.com/2025/04/05/mlb- ... s-payroll/

Your numbers sound ludicrous. If a team had a margin of only 27 million dollars then any team that signed a high priced free agent would be losing money. Preposterous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenh ... ince-2010/

They are Forbes' numbers, and the only source I'm aware of for comparable numbers for all 30 MLB teams.

BTW, per your 2nd link, $8 billion in profit over a decade for 30 teams would be ~$27 million a year, per team.

Doesn't change the facts. Anyway you slice it. I posted the Forbes link. Read it.

Your're right, it doesn't change the facts. The Forbes numbers show the following for each team's average "operating income" (as close a number to "profits" as we're going to have) over 2015-2024:

The average if you include the Mets is +$17.5 million. The average if you exclude the Mets is +$20.8 million.

Boston - +$63 million
Cubs - +$59
San Francisco - +$48
Pittsburgh - +$44
Houston - +$42
Atlanta - +$38
Milwaukee - +$33
Seattle - +$33
Baltimore - +$32
Cleveland - +$31
Tampa Bay - +$29
Philadelphia - +$28
Angels - +$27
St. Louis - +$27
Texas - +$21
______________________Median & Avg. w/o Mets of $20.8 million
Washington - +$20
______________________Avg. with Mets of $17.5 million
Arizona - +$16
Kansas City - +$15
Cincinnati - +$13
Dodgers - +$10
Minnesota - +$9
White Sox - +$6
Athletics - +$6
Colorado - $0
Detroit - -$1
Miami - -$4
San Diego - -$6
Yankee - -$14
Toronto - -$22
Mets - -$79

No, "Operating Income" is not as close to "Profits" as you can get. That's moronic. Tell me, if teams are that close to the bone then why would any team sign a $30 million dollar player, let alone multiple and yet they do. How do you explain that?

[mattmitchl44]

Operating costs do not equal profit. That's ridiculous. A while back I posted an article from Forbes that showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars. That profit, not operating expenses. With a payroll at the time that was about 175 million. Deduct the operating costs from the profit and still it looks pretty good. Now they've cut payroll to the bone. Will people come out to watch these guys? I won't. That being said, unless you have a 401k, this economy is killing you. Everything has gone up and continues to go up. I'd expect attendance to be down no matter what.

It's operating income. Operating income is, roughly, profits.

The Cardinals' operating revenue is about $350 million.

As I said.

You said, "...showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars." There is no "profit" of $350 million.

Operating income/profit = revenue - expenses

The Forbes data shows the Cardinals average operating income/profit over a decade at $27 million per year.

https://twinstrivia.com/2025/04/05/mlb- ... s-payroll/

Your numbers sound ludicrous. If a team had a margin of only 27 million dollars then any team that signed a high priced free agent would be losing money. Preposterous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenh ... ince-2010/

They are Forbes' numbers, and the only source I'm aware of for comparable numbers for all 30 MLB teams.

BTW, per your 2nd link, $8 billion in profit over a decade for 30 teams would be ~$27 million a year, per team.

Doesn't change the facts. Anyway you slice it. I posted the Forbes link. Read it.

Your're right, it doesn't change the facts. The Forbes numbers show the following for each team's average "operating income" (as close a number to "profits" as we're going to have) over 2015-2024:

The average if you include the Mets is +$17.5 million. The average if you exclude the Mets is +$20.8 million.

Boston - +$63 million
Cubs - +$59
San Francisco - +$48
Pittsburgh - +$44
Houston - +$42
Atlanta - +$38
Milwaukee - +$33
Seattle - +$33
Baltimore - +$32
Cleveland - +$31
Tampa Bay - +$29
Philadelphia - +$28
Angels - +$27
St. Louis - +$27
Texas - +$21
______________________Median & Avg. w/o Mets of $20.8 million
Washington - +$20
______________________Avg. with Mets of $17.5 million
Arizona - +$16
Kansas City - +$15
Cincinnati - +$13
Dodgers - +$10
Minnesota - +$9
White Sox - +$6
Athletics - +$6
Colorado - $0
Detroit - -$1
Miami - -$4
San Diego - -$6
Yankee - -$14
Toronto - -$22
Mets - -$79

No, "Operating Income" is not as close to "Profits" as you can get. That's moronic. Tell me, if teams are that close to the bone then why would any team sign a $30 million dollar player, let alone multiple and yet they do. How do you explain that?

How Forbes calculates "operating income" is as close a measure as we have for "profits."

Again, your own Forbes link - which stated that the 30 MLB teams made $8 billion in "profits" over the decade from 2010-2019 works out to an average of $27 million per team per year, which is completely in line with the numbers above.

[Goldfan]

Operating costs do not equal profit. That's ridiculous. A while back I posted an article from Forbes that showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars. That profit, not operating expenses. With a payroll at the time that was about 175 million. Deduct the operating costs from the profit and still it looks pretty good. Now they've cut payroll to the bone. Will people come out to watch these guys? I won't. That being said, unless you have a 401k, this economy is killing you. Everything has gone up and continues to go up. I'd expect attendance to be down no matter what.

It's operating income. Operating income is, roughly, profits.

The Cardinals' operating revenue is about $350 million.

As I said.

You said, "...showed the Cards profit of around 350 million dollars." There is no "profit" of $350 million.

Operating income/profit = revenue - expenses

The Forbes data shows the Cardinals average operating income/profit over a decade at $27 million per year.

https://twinstrivia.com/2025/04/05/mlb- ... s-payroll/

Your numbers sound ludicrous. If a team had a margin of only 27 million dollars then any team that signed a high priced free agent would be losing money. Preposterous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenh ... ince-2010/

They are Forbes' numbers, and the only source I'm aware of for comparable numbers for all 30 MLB teams.

BTW, per your 2nd link, $8 billion in profit over a decade for 30 teams would be ~$27 million a year, per team.

Doesn't change the facts. Anyway you slice it. I posted the Forbes link. Read it.

Your're right, it doesn't change the facts. The Forbes numbers show the following for each team's average "operating income" (as close a number to "profits" as we're going to have) over 2015-2024:

The average if you include the Mets is +$17.5 million. The average if you exclude the Mets is +$20.8 million.

Boston - +$63 million
Cubs - +$59
San Francisco - +$48
Pittsburgh - +$44
Houston - +$42
Atlanta - +$38
Milwaukee - +$33
Seattle - +$33
Baltimore - +$32
Cleveland - +$31
Tampa Bay - +$29
Philadelphia - +$28
Angels - +$27
St. Louis - +$27
Texas - +$21
______________________Median & Avg. w/o Mets of $20.8 million
Washington - +$20
______________________Avg. with Mets of $17.5 million
Arizona - +$16
Kansas City - +$15
Cincinnati - +$13
Dodgers - +$10
Minnesota - +$9
White Sox - +$6
Athletics - +$6
Colorado - $0
Detroit - -$1
Miami - -$4
San Diego - -$6
Yankee - -$14
Toronto - -$22
Mets - -$79

No, "Operating Income" is not as close to "Profits" as you can get. That's moronic. Tell me, if teams are that close to the bone then why would any team sign a $30 million dollar player, let alone multiple and yet they do. How do you explain that?

How Forbes calculates "operating income" is as close a measure as we have for "profits."

Again, your own Forbes link - which stated that the 30 MLB teams made $8 billion in "profits" over the decade from 2010-2019 works out to an average of $27 million per team per year, which is completely in line with the numbers above.

Key Points of the Forbes Methodology:
Operating Income Definition: Forbes defines operating income as earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA).

Stadium Debt Service: Any portion of a team's revenue generated from the stadium (e.g., ticket sales, concessions) that is contractually obligated to pay off stadium debt is subtracted from the reported revenue and, consequently, the operating income.
Debt is excluded from valuation: The final team value itself (an enterprise value) is based on a multiple of revenue and includes the economics of the stadium, but it is calculated without a direct deduction for the total amount of debt the team carries (other than the specific revenue offset mentioned above).

[Dazepster]

No one should eat Arby's. Unless starvation is the only alternative.

Seriously now!!!

[earp]

Ray Caldwell Gets Struck by Lightning… and Finishes the Game
struck by lightning mid‑game: In 1919, Cleveland pitcher Ray Caldwell was literally knocked unconscious by a lightning bolt.

insisted on finishing the inning: After waking up, he got the final out like nothing happened.

pitched a no‑hitter two weeks later:

Lion’s Choice tends to win taste tests and quality comparisons, while Arby’s wins on reach and menu creativity