It was and IS! The Cards were a Chris Taylor homerun away and just as good as they Dodgers. They were a flukish inning away and favored over the Phillies. So you go out and find a better more upside upgrade and try again. Like get Dustin May to replace Mikolas, find an Emmett Sheheen or Gavin Stone to replace Matz and even save big bucks doing so. IT WAS THE MODEL!mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 08:46 amWhen they are ready to compete, they should/will add more expensive veterans. But that time isn't now.Ike Hammett wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 08:44 amPujols was drafted in like the 13th round, The Yadfather was drafted in the fourth. Not all great players come from the draft lottery. Go draft and develop all you want, nobody is OR EVER HAS BEEN AGAINST IT. Give Jordan Walker and Masyn Winn etc a runway and a real chance, but give us some Goldy, Nado, Contreras, Gray action too!mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 08:11 amAnd as I've explained over and over again, it's about spending smartly. And WHEN to spend is a key component of spending smartly.CCard wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 07:41 amThey aren't even trying to keep up with the teams just below the Dodgers and we're talking about a team that drew 3 million fans for nearly two decades. A team that has a profit of over 300 million a year. They could easily be a top 10 payroll. They CHOOSE not to. Saying baseball has changed doesn't mean that it hasn't changed for the Cards also. The Dodgers spend more because everything goes up, but it goes up for the Cards also. If a team doesn't try to win then why is it even playing? It's like the Dodgers and other top 10 teams are playing poker while the Cards are playing Uno. How do you not see this? If the strategy you push is so viable then why don't all winning teams push that more? It's obvious perennial losers do. How much talent have the Pirates alone traded away? What did it win them?mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025 06:15 amThank you for making my point.CCard wrote: ↑19 Dec 2025 20:07 pm In 2011 the Dodgers payroll was around 110 million. The Cards and Rangers(who met in the WS) were in the low 90's millions. Not a lot of difference huh. Now fast forward, the Dodgers are what, 300-350 million? And where are the Cards, 120 million. It's a disgrace. A slap in the face to 3 million fans. And you have the audacity to get on here and justify it. How pathetic.
In 2011, the Dodgers were outspending the Cardinals by $20 million, or just under 20%. Now, even if the Cardinals spend $200 million, the Dodgers are outspending them by $125 million, or nearly 40%. And multiple other teams are on the Dodgers heels in terms of spending as well.
Baseball has changed and the Cardinals, now more than ever, have to develop more young, cost controlled talent to compete.
By all means, they should spend when they have an actual chance to compete - but right now they don't have an actual chance to compete.
Spending just to be mediocre isn't competing.
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