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Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 11:12 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:48 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:30 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:15 am

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:51 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:46 am How is it that you seriously don't understand that the Cardinals are trying to add more talent to their development pipeline with the end goal of providing better and more sustainable talent to the major league roster? And that they need to do that if they want to be competitive since their economics have changed and they are moving to a lower payroll model?

F dude. Give it a rest.

Yea, I gotta stop with him. I usually just ignore him because of him either being genuinely stupid or a troll, but I slipped.

Fellas….hows’ that talent acquisition going from these deadline deals going on a couple years now???
Please point out the ML help from 2 yrs ago
And now you think the current return is somehow helpful in bettering the ML team??
If this was the intent starting last season, why didn’t they trade Helsley, Fedde, Matz and as many of the other vets when they had a full season of control??? And coming off better seasons……you say rebuild rebuild…..did this just kick in this week??? Please attempt to keep your stories straight
You 2 follow this dysfunctional Cards narrative right into poor season after poor season with less fans in seats……is it working??
And again please forward the detail “rebuild” plan when you admit yourself these Helsley, Matz etc don’t return much….you said this not me

Stop. You haven't read or listened to a single thing John Mozeliak has said.

There is a reason they're moving on with a new front office. Surely... you understand (know) that?

Good grief, man.

AND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

I don’t listen to MO…..I use my own eyes…
And major takeaway here
Getting minor league filler for ML talent is dumping salary especially when we know its not coming back…..

Your takeaway is wrong of course you complain about trading away major league talent that they weren’t and shouldn’t keep after this season you complain about them trading big league talent away in 2023 as if keeping and signing Flaherty hicks Montgomery Cabrera and Dejong would really be taking the cardinals to the promise land this season lol you are so wrong in this take it’s unbelievable you seriously think this I hope you’re just trolling and aren’t this insane

Oz give me the Golden outlook where all this goes? All these prospect emerge and fill ML roster? Getting rid of ML talent and receiving back non-ML talent goes nowhere…..and here we are

Montgomery and Stratton were traded for sagggase roby and king king had a 2.85 ERA in 56 games last season and while he had a bit of a down year this season has been serviceable roby was a gamble but with his upside it was certainly worth it and saggasse is on the team but I’m sure you wish the cardinals would have signed Montgomery long term because he’s a “big talent” who should have been kept because that 6.23 ERA would really be helping the cardinals and Stratton and his 7.71 era would be really helpful. Dejong for svanson was a steal for the cardinals or maybe you wish the cardinals would have extended that awesome big league talent. And flaherty and his 6-10 record and 4.51 era would really be leading the cardinals to the World Series cardinals really miss that big league talent. And Jordan hicks man such a big league talent why did they not extend him for all that money he got so they could get the benefits of his 6.27 ERA lol you can’t be this clueless

freed5179 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 12:00 pm This will be the 3rd straight season without making the (never easier to make) playoffs. They last won a playoff series in 2019, which is the only playoff series they've won in the last 11 seasons.

Those defending their current strategy, by whatever term they wish to use, need to keep the above in mind.

In my opinion, trading for players who won't sniff the majors until--at least--2028 while leaking to Goold that there will not be an increase in investment coming from this ownership anytime soon (combined with a decade+ of decline) is really hard to defend. Kudos to those who will try, I suppose.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 12:24 pm

freed5179 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 12:00 pm This will be the 3rd straight season without making the (never easier to make) playoffs. They last won a playoff series in 2019, which is the only playoff series they've won in the last 11 seasons.

Those defending their current strategy, by whatever term they wish to use, need to keep the above in mind.

In my opinion, trading for players who won't sniff the majors until--at least--2028 while leaking to Goold that there will not be an increase in investment coming from this ownership anytime soon (combined with a decade+ of decline) is really hard to defend. Kudos to those who will try, I suppose.

Their current strategy is completely different from what they have been doing the last 5-10 years or so!!!! That's the entire point!!!!!!!

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 11:50 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 11:12 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:48 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:30 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:15 am

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:51 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:46 am How is it that you seriously don't understand that the Cardinals are trying to add more talent to their development pipeline with the end goal of providing better and more sustainable talent to the major league roster? And that they need to do that if they want to be competitive since their economics have changed and they are moving to a lower payroll model?

F dude. Give it a rest.

Yea, I gotta stop with him. I usually just ignore him because of him either being genuinely stupid or a troll, but I slipped.

Fellas….hows’ that talent acquisition going from these deadline deals going on a couple years now???
Please point out the ML help from 2 yrs ago
And now you think the current return is somehow helpful in bettering the ML team??
If this was the intent starting last season, why didn’t they trade Helsley, Fedde, Matz and as many of the other vets when they had a full season of control??? And coming off better seasons……you say rebuild rebuild…..did this just kick in this week??? Please attempt to keep your stories straight
You 2 follow this dysfunctional Cards narrative right into poor season after poor season with less fans in seats……is it working??
And again please forward the detail “rebuild” plan when you admit yourself these Helsley, Matz etc don’t return much….you said this not me

Stop. You haven't read or listened to a single thing John Mozeliak has said.

There is a reason they're moving on with a new front office. Surely... you understand (know) that?

Good grief, man.

AND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

I don’t listen to MO…..I use my own eyes…
And major takeaway here
Getting minor league filler for ML talent is dumping salary especially when we know its not coming back…..

Your takeaway is wrong of course you complain about trading away major league talent that they weren’t and shouldn’t keep after this season you complain about them trading big league talent away in 2023 as if keeping and signing Flaherty hicks Montgomery Cabrera and Dejong would really be taking the cardinals to the promise land this season lol you are so wrong in this take it’s unbelievable you seriously think this I hope you’re just trolling and aren’t this insane

Oz give me the Golden outlook where all this goes? All these prospect emerge and fill ML roster? Getting rid of ML talent and receiving back non-ML talent goes nowhere…..and here we are

Montgomery and Stratton were traded for sagggase roby and king king had a 2.85 ERA in 56 games last season and while he had a bit of a down year this season has been serviceable roby was a gamble but with his upside it was certainly worth it and saggasse is on the team but I’m sure you wish the cardinals would have signed Montgomery long term because he’s a “big talent” who should have been kept because that 6.23 ERA would really be helping the cardinals and Stratton and his 7.71 era would be really helpful. Dejong for svanson was a steal for the cardinals or maybe you wish the cardinals would have extended that awesome big league talent. And flaherty and his 6-10 record and 4.51 era would really be leading the cardinals to the World Series cardinals really miss that big league talent. And Jordan hicks man such a big league talent why did they not extend him for all that money he got so they could get the benefits of his 6.27 ERA lol you can’t be this clueless

So I’ll give you 2nd -3rd out of BP lefty King……serviceable……at this rate we’ll have enough ML talent to compete with Pitts around 2040
Can we acknowledge they’re not rebuilding through this process?
Never fans of PDF or Jack
Monty was good here, as was Stratton….Hicks enigma

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:12 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 11:50 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 11:12 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:48 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:30 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:15 am

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:51 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 09:46 am How is it that you seriously don't understand that the Cardinals are trying to add more talent to their development pipeline with the end goal of providing better and more sustainable talent to the major league roster? And that they need to do that if they want to be competitive since their economics have changed and they are moving to a lower payroll model?

F dude. Give it a rest.

Yea, I gotta stop with him. I usually just ignore him because of him either being genuinely stupid or a troll, but I slipped.

Fellas….hows’ that talent acquisition going from these deadline deals going on a couple years now???
Please point out the ML help from 2 yrs ago
And now you think the current return is somehow helpful in bettering the ML team??
If this was the intent starting last season, why didn’t they trade Helsley, Fedde, Matz and as many of the other vets when they had a full season of control??? And coming off better seasons……you say rebuild rebuild…..did this just kick in this week??? Please attempt to keep your stories straight
You 2 follow this dysfunctional Cards narrative right into poor season after poor season with less fans in seats……is it working??
And again please forward the detail “rebuild” plan when you admit yourself these Helsley, Matz etc don’t return much….you said this not me

Stop. You haven't read or listened to a single thing John Mozeliak has said.

There is a reason they're moving on with a new front office. Surely... you understand (know) that?

Good grief, man.

AND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

I don’t listen to MO…..I use my own eyes…
And major takeaway here
Getting minor league filler for ML talent is dumping salary especially when we know its not coming back…..

Your takeaway is wrong of course you complain about trading away major league talent that they weren’t and shouldn’t keep after this season you complain about them trading big league talent away in 2023 as if keeping and signing Flaherty hicks Montgomery Cabrera and Dejong would really be taking the cardinals to the promise land this season lol you are so wrong in this take it’s unbelievable you seriously think this I hope you’re just trolling and aren’t this insane

Oz give me the Golden outlook where all this goes? All these prospect emerge and fill ML roster? Getting rid of ML talent and receiving back non-ML talent goes nowhere…..and here we are

Montgomery and Stratton were traded for sagggase roby and king king had a 2.85 ERA in 56 games last season and while he had a bit of a down year this season has been serviceable roby was a gamble but with his upside it was certainly worth it and saggasse is on the team but I’m sure you wish the cardinals would have signed Montgomery long term because he’s a “big talent” who should have been kept because that 6.23 ERA would really be helping the cardinals and Stratton and his 7.71 era would be really helpful. Dejong for svanson was a steal for the cardinals or maybe you wish the cardinals would have extended that awesome big league talent. And flaherty and his 6-10 record and 4.51 era would really be leading the cardinals to the World Series cardinals really miss that big league talent. And Jordan hicks man such a big league talent why did they not extend him for all that money he got so they could get the benefits of his 6.27 ERA lol you can’t be this clueless

So I’ll give you 2nd -3rd out of BP lefty King……serviceable……at this rate we’ll have enough ML talent to compete with Pitts around 2040
Can we acknowledge they’re not rebuilding through this process?
Never fans of PDF or Jack
Monty was good here, as was Stratton….Hicks enigma

Look what they gave up nothing. What were you expecting to get for them? And again which of those great big league talents you think they should have signed and kept?

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 amAND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:43 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 amAND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

You don’t have to yell.

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:47 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:43 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 amAND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

You don’t have to yell.

It’s a .500 and under Groundhog Day Season until ownership change. Enjoy

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:43 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 amAND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

You don’t have to yell.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:57 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:43 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 amAND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

You don’t have to yell.

I'm sorry. Goldfan's trolling / ignorance / whatever is very frustrating

I'm not sure anyone is clear on what he actually wanted or expected them to do at the deadline. He's just big mad and still doesn't comprehend what a salary dump is.

Between that, OldRed not knowing what "addition by subtraction" means, and RBC saying Keith Law lives a life devoid of worth, I'm grumpy

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:57 pmI'm sorry. Goldfan's trolling / ignorance / whatever is very frustrating

I'm not sure anyone is clear on what he actually wanted or expected them to do at the deadline. He's just big mad and still doesn't comprehend what a salary dump is.

Between that, OldRed not knowing what "addition by subtraction" means, and RBC saying Keith Law lives a life devoid of worth, I'm grumpy

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 14:06 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:57 pmI'm sorry. Goldfan's trolling / ignorance / whatever is very frustrating

I'm not sure anyone is clear on what he actually wanted or expected them to do at the deadline. He's just big mad and still doesn't comprehend what a salary dump is.

Between that, OldRed not knowing what "addition by subtraction" means, and RBC saying Keith Law lives a life devoid of worth, I'm grumpy

That's why I dropped out. Don't need the aggravation. I'd do better banging my head against a concrete wall for several hours.

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 14:11 pm

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 14:06 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:57 pmI'm sorry. Goldfan's trolling / ignorance / whatever is very frustrating

I'm not sure anyone is clear on what he actually wanted or expected them to do at the deadline. He's just big mad and still doesn't comprehend what a salary dump is.

Between that, OldRed not knowing what "addition by subtraction" means, and RBC saying Keith Law lives a life devoid of worth, I'm grumpy

That's why I dropped out. Don't need the aggravation. I'd do better banging my head against a concrete wall for several hours.

So in your mind a little ole 2.706mil savings without much in return can’t be a dump. A dump HAS to be multiple years of contract for large $$ in exchange for not much??? Is this the Golden Rule definition? How about Mini Dump, would that have passed the editors?

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:57 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:43 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 10:28 amAND IT'S NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN F N REBUILD!!!

You don’t have to yell.

I'm sorry. Goldfan's trolling / ignorance / whatever is very frustrating

I'm not sure anyone is clear on what he actually wanted or expected them to do at the deadline. He's just big mad and still doesn't comprehend what a salary dump is.

Between that, OldRed not knowing what "addition by subtraction" means, and RBC saying Keith Law lives a life devoid of worth, I'm grumpy

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 14:15 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 14:11 pm

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 14:06 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 13:57 pmI'm sorry. Goldfan's trolling / ignorance / whatever is very frustrating

I'm not sure anyone is clear on what he actually wanted or expected them to do at the deadline. He's just big mad and still doesn't comprehend what a salary dump is.

Between that, OldRed not knowing what "addition by subtraction" means, and RBC saying Keith Law lives a life devoid of worth, I'm grumpy

That's why I dropped out. Don't need the aggravation. I'd do better banging my head against a concrete wall for several hours.

So in your mind a little ole 2.706mil savings without much in return can’t be a dump. A dump HAS to be multiple years of contract for large $$ in exchange for not much??? Is this the Golden Rule definition? How about Mini Dump, would that have passed the editors?

Why are you trolling? That's an honest question.

No part of this is a salary dump... not by any stretch. I don't know why you won't show any common decency. I'm just asking one last time, cordially, for you to do so. It's not a dump, please stop referring to it as one and patronizing everyone that you engage with. You're being a complete d!ckhead at this point.