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rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:06 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:01 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 08:34 am M. Winn at lead-off?

Proving once again Oli show no growth whatsoever as a Manager.

I know it's ST, but what an ignorant lineup.
Winn 1? Burleson 2?
Pages 4? Wetherholt 5?

Oli is an absolute moron. Has ZERO baseball IQ.

Some will say, its fhe first game of ST big deal? I get that, but if you're playing a game, you might as well set your lineup in a way that optimizes your players. Marmol does not know how to do this. Looks like he just drew out of a hat in the clubhouse this morning.

Like you said C4L it's STing and you want your starters to get their PA's in and their work done early (so they can hit the golf course and beach! )

My problem w/Oli is he's shown in STing past that his spring lineups tend to mirror his regular season lineups (although we won't see Pages at clean-up unless he's completely lost his mind).

But Winn is NOT a lead-off man and my fear if we keep seeing him there throughout the spring is Oli is going to force him there (likely at the behest of Winn himself).

Yes, yes he will. He is an idiot!

Nothing is irrelevant. It’s almost like Marmol put names in a hat and randomly picked them out to make this lineup. There is no rhyme or reason to it.

Hopefully this Winn trend stops soon.

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:35 am A CT spring trainer game 1 lineup bitchfest. Who would've ever guessed?

lol +1 I’m not an oli fan but anyone that thinks being left out of the game of spring training is going to make or break walkers season is drinking too much or doing too many drugs or just looking for a reason to complain about oli

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:06 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:01 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 08:34 am M. Winn at lead-off?

Proving once again Oli show no growth whatsoever as a Manager.

I know it's ST, but what an ignorant lineup.
Winn 1? Burleson 2?
Pages 4? Wetherholt 5?

Oli is an absolute moron. Has ZERO baseball IQ.

Some will say, its fhe first game of ST big deal? I get that, but if you're playing a game, you might as well set your lineup in a way that optimizes your players. Marmol does not know how to do this. Looks like he just drew out of a hat in the clubhouse this morning.

Like you said C4L it's STing and you want your starters to get their PA's in and their work done early (so they can hit the golf course and beach! )

My problem w/Oli is he's shown in STing past that his spring lineups tend to mirror his regular season lineups (although we won't see Pages at clean-up unless he's completely lost his mind).

But Winn is NOT a lead-off man and my fear if we keep seeing him there throughout the spring is Oli is going to force him there (likely at the behest of Winn himself).

Yes, yes he will. He is an idiot!

But according to his water carrier Bernie, we're the idiots for not seeing Oli's genius.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:56 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:06 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:01 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 08:34 am M. Winn at lead-off?

Proving once again Oli show no growth whatsoever as a Manager.

I know it's ST, but what an ignorant lineup.
Winn 1? Burleson 2?
Pages 4? Wetherholt 5?

Oli is an absolute moron. Has ZERO baseball IQ.

Some will say, its fhe first game of ST big deal? I get that, but if you're playing a game, you might as well set your lineup in a way that optimizes your players. Marmol does not know how to do this. Looks like he just drew out of a hat in the clubhouse this morning.

Like you said C4L it's STing and you want your starters to get their PA's in and their work done early (so they can hit the golf course and beach! )

My problem w/Oli is he's shown in STing past that his spring lineups tend to mirror his regular season lineups (although we won't see Pages at clean-up unless he's completely lost his mind).

But Winn is NOT a lead-off man and my fear if we keep seeing him there throughout the spring is Oli is going to force him there (likely at the behest of Winn himself).

Yes, yes he will. He is an idiot!

But according to his water carrier Bernie, we're the idiots for not seeing Oli's genius.

He has zero clue on lineup construction, among many other things.

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:35 am A CT spring trainer game 1 lineup bitchfest. Who would've ever guessed?

Shouldn't have to if we had a manager who had a freaking clue!

I agree that Walker needs AB’s. But not going to react to first game.
As for Winn? To me lineup “position” is irrelevant.
Hitting first gets him two quick AB’s and probably out of the lineup.
That is why I assume guys hit at the top????

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:52 am

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:35 am A CT spring trainer game 1 lineup bitchfest. Who would've ever guessed?

lol +1 I’m not an oli fan but anyone that thinks being left out of the game of spring training is going to make or break walkers season is drinking too much or doing too many drugs or just looking for a reason to complain about oli

My money is on door #3

I have no love for Oli and I've been saying for months he will not the the manager when the next window opens. But, jeez, on Feb 21, there are a roughly 743 guys in camp and only 9 spots in the stating lineup.

And the people screaming for Walker to be DFA'd or at least start the season in Memphis are the same people up in arms he isn't in the ST Game 1 lineup. Maybe he's nursing a minor injury. Maybe he's sick. Maybe he's starting the next 4 games. Who knows? Who really cares? Barring serious injury, Jordan Walker will get plenty of at bats this spring, for better or worse.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:59 am

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:35 am A CT spring trainer game 1 lineup bitchfest. Who would've ever guessed?

Shouldn't have to if we had a manager who had a freaking clue!

Any other managers out there not playing a guy who may or may not even make the OD roster?

My 9 year old son took one look at this lineup and said:

"Why is Winn leading off?"
"Why is Pages hittng cleanup?"
"JJ in the 5 hole? He should be hitting leadoff"
"This lineup is terrible."

It appears even he is smarter than Oliver Marmol!

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 11:05 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:59 am

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:35 am A CT spring trainer game 1 lineup bitchfest. Who would've ever guessed?

Shouldn't have to if we had a manager who had a freaking clue!

Any other managers out there not playing a guy who may or may not even make the OD roster?

No complaints about the players playing. I understand how ST works.
My compliant is the ignorant construction of the players he is playing.
I also understand they are just getting some work in, but might as well put guys in spots where they might actually hit. Why not construct a lineup that can be competitive and makes some sense?

Again, I know early ST lineups mean nothing. But Marmol has shown an inability to get them right even in season, and routinely tries to put guys in spots they don't belong (i.e. Winn leading off).

BUT.. BUT... BUT Marmot is a great teacher.

Commence projectile vomiting.

Where they are hitting is irrelevant this early in spring training people complaining about Winn leading off he will get one or two at bats then be replaced same with burly and all of the other regulars. I doubt anyone plays the whole game in the line up although JJ might but I doubt even that

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 08:48 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 08:46 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 08:41 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 08:39 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 08:34 am M. Winn at lead-off?

Proving once again Oli show no growth whatsoever as a Manager.

Unless Walker is injured……I’m playing him in every ST on any field that has a game…..what is the point of sitting this guy??
He needs to show he can hit??

No idea unless as you said he's got s some ache and they're just playing it safe.

He needs as many reps at the plate and in RF he can get.

Course lil Oli needs to make sure everyone gets a swing………

And make sure M. Winn gets what he wants even though he s u c k s hitting lead-off.

Pitiful excuse for a manager.

Read where coaches were kicking around having JJ lead off for regular season .. don't put too much into initial ST lineup .. if JJ happens to hit
he will move to lead off sooner rather than later ..Oli and coaches know JJ was leadoff in minors and is comfy there

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:35 am A CT spring trainer game 1 lineup bitchfest. Who would've ever guessed?

Amen