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Yea he shot his own argument down. That means they were getting to the majors and having to be taught there instead of making it to the big leagues already preparedAn Old Friend wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 20:20 pmYeah, what the hell is scouty trying to prove? He literally provides the timeline that shows he wasn’t a minor league outfield instructor. SMHOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 18:19 pmSo he hasn’t been a minor league coach since 20016? That’s a long time agoscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 16:33 pmLol
On March 6, 2013, the St. Louis Cardinals announced they had hired McGee as a special assistant to General Manager John Mozeliak. McGee's role as special assistant included working with outfielders in the Cardinals' minor league system as well as monitoring the organization's minor league players.
On October 23, 2017, the Cardinals added McGee to their major league coaching staff. As of December 2017, McGee was listed on the Cardinals' roster as an assistant coach, with 51 as his uniform number.
On August 14, 2020, McGee announced he would be sitting out the remainder of the 2020 season due to the COVID-19 pandemic. By 2021, he had resumed his role as an assistant coach. On October 21, 2024, McGee stepped down from the major league staff and moved to an advisory role with the front office.
I wondered this as well. Not dogging on him. But did he ever have a defined role or was he just a guy that kind of walked around and did an old “uncle Willie” routine by spreading words of wisdom here and there.
You keep bringing up Springfield winning the championship like blooms development people had nothing to do with it lol Larry day and his people started working with Baez last January on cutting down his strike outs guess what he went from a fading prospect on his way out the door to a great prospect who helped them win the championship their development people worked with the pitchers including mautz who went from a 3-13 5.15 ERA pitcher at A+ to a 8-3 2.98 ERA at AA that kind of helped their championship run just because you don’t acknowledge what he’s doing to help the development systems doesn’t mean anything when results are already starting to showCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 20:35 pmSo they created 39 new positions? Sounds like something smelly to me. Secondly, are those positions permanent? Thirdly, none of that excuses not fielding a competitive team. Fourth, where players eat doesn't matter at all and could just as easily be a detriment. They just won a championship in Springfield and I hardly think any of these "new" hires and eating together had anything to do with it. Just more propaganda in my opinion. The fact is that they are planning to lose on purpose. It's just wrong.ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 15:45 pm Some of the items discussed in video linked :
When Bloom arrived in Oct.2023 , the Cardinals had 39 front office members in Baseball Ops, Player Development, , Physical Performance, and
Player Technology. Since that time, Bloom has 78 positons in those 4 areas.. ( doubling the personnel to enhance those areas )
As one example, there was not a full-time catcher instructor nor an outfield instructor ( Walker, for example, had no OF instructor when they transitioned him from IF to OF when he was in the minors. ) They do now in the minors.
Josua Baez was floundering his way thru the minors and thru their enhanced technology performance center, instructors/coaches there have improved Baez considerably making him a much better player close to major league ready.
This year's TC also has numerous coaches/instructors at various stations that not only watch but give immediate feedback to the players that didn't happen previously .
Another change is their new 'Birdfeeder' dining room complex where the minor leaguers can sit with major leaguers for lunch . Previously , the major league guys sat separate and rarely interacted with the minor leaguers invited to camp. So better interaction with players from all levels.
The minor league personnel has been improved and the ranking of the system is now highly rated among all 32 teams. Bodes well for the future.
If you wish to listen to the full video , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnvyrmxVEk
And Jordan Walker wasn’t drafted until 2020. Ergo, McGee wasn’t a minor league instructor while Walker was transitioning to the outfield.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 16:37 pmHe was
On March 6, 2013, the St. Louis Cardinals announced they had hired McGee as a special assistant to General Manager John Mozeliak. McGee's role as special assistant included working with outfielders in the Cardinals' minor league system as well as monitoring the organization's minor league players.
And you disrespect the fact that a player can get better without some coach making him better. It cuts both ways. As for why I bring up Springfield is because of the bull that the Cards minor leagues was in shambles and barren. It was a lie. There's no way Bloom had that much of an affect on Springfield.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 21:34 pmYou keep bringing up Springfield winning the championship like blooms development people had nothing to do with it lol Larry day and his people started working with Baez last January on cutting down his strike outs guess what he went from a fading prospect on his way out the door to a great prospect who helped them win the championship their development people worked with the pitchers including mautz who went from a 3-13 5.15 ERA pitcher at A+ to a 8-3 2.98 ERA at AA that kind of helped their championship run just because you don’t acknowledge what he’s doing to help the development systems doesn’t mean anything when results are already starting to showCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 20:35 pmSo they created 39 new positions? Sounds like something smelly to me. Secondly, are those positions permanent? Thirdly, none of that excuses not fielding a competitive team. Fourth, where players eat doesn't matter at all and could just as easily be a detriment. They just won a championship in Springfield and I hardly think any of these "new" hires and eating together had anything to do with it. Just more propaganda in my opinion. The fact is that they are planning to lose on purpose. It's just wrong.ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 15:45 pm Some of the items discussed in video linked :
When Bloom arrived in Oct.2023 , the Cardinals had 39 front office members in Baseball Ops, Player Development, , Physical Performance, and
Player Technology. Since that time, Bloom has 78 positons in those 4 areas.. ( doubling the personnel to enhance those areas )
As one example, there was not a full-time catcher instructor nor an outfield instructor ( Walker, for example, had no OF instructor when they transitioned him from IF to OF when he was in the minors. ) They do now in the minors.
Josua Baez was floundering his way thru the minors and thru their enhanced technology performance center, instructors/coaches there have improved Baez considerably making him a much better player close to major league ready.
This year's TC also has numerous coaches/instructors at various stations that not only watch but give immediate feedback to the players that didn't happen previously .
Another change is their new 'Birdfeeder' dining room complex where the minor leaguers can sit with major leaguers for lunch . Previously , the major league guys sat separate and rarely interacted with the minor leaguers invited to camp. So better interaction with players from all levels.
The minor league personnel has been improved and the ranking of the system is now highly rated among all 32 teams. Bodes well for the future.
If you wish to listen to the full video , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnvyrmxVEk
lol so you will explain everything away to players making themselves better instead of giving the development system credit for anything. It’s just a shame all of those failed players coming up the past few years chose not to develop themselves and fix all of their problems and chose instead toCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:49 pmAnd you disrespect the fact that a player can get better without some coach making him better. It cuts both ways. As for why I bring up Springfield is because of the bull that the Cards minor leagues was in shambles and barren. It was a lie. There's no way Bloom had that much of an affect on Springfield.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 21:34 pmYou keep bringing up Springfield winning the championship like blooms development people had nothing to do with it lol Larry day and his people started working with Baez last January on cutting down his strike outs guess what he went from a fading prospect on his way out the door to a great prospect who helped them win the championship their development people worked with the pitchers including mautz who went from a 3-13 5.15 ERA pitcher at A+ to a 8-3 2.98 ERA at AA that kind of helped their championship run just because you don’t acknowledge what he’s doing to help the development systems doesn’t mean anything when results are already starting to showCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 20:35 pmSo they created 39 new positions? Sounds like something smelly to me. Secondly, are those positions permanent? Thirdly, none of that excuses not fielding a competitive team. Fourth, where players eat doesn't matter at all and could just as easily be a detriment. They just won a championship in Springfield and I hardly think any of these "new" hires and eating together had anything to do with it. Just more propaganda in my opinion. The fact is that they are planning to lose on purpose. It's just wrong.ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 15:45 pm Some of the items discussed in video linked :
When Bloom arrived in Oct.2023 , the Cardinals had 39 front office members in Baseball Ops, Player Development, , Physical Performance, and
Player Technology. Since that time, Bloom has 78 positons in those 4 areas.. ( doubling the personnel to enhance those areas )
As one example, there was not a full-time catcher instructor nor an outfield instructor ( Walker, for example, had no OF instructor when they transitioned him from IF to OF when he was in the minors. ) They do now in the minors.
Josua Baez was floundering his way thru the minors and thru their enhanced technology performance center, instructors/coaches there have improved Baez considerably making him a much better player close to major league ready.
This year's TC also has numerous coaches/instructors at various stations that not only watch but give immediate feedback to the players that didn't happen previously .
Another change is their new 'Birdfeeder' dining room complex where the minor leaguers can sit with major leaguers for lunch . Previously , the major league guys sat separate and rarely interacted with the minor leaguers invited to camp. So better interaction with players from all levels.
The minor league personnel has been improved and the ranking of the system is now highly rated among all 32 teams. Bodes well for the future.
If you wish to listen to the full video , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnvyrmxVEk
No and I never said that. But I also don't believe that coaches make a huge difference either. Can they help? Sure, but not likely to turn and average player into a superstar. That takes talent. Regardless, you can't tell me that they can't afford the coaches and other things and still not field a competitve team. That's bull being pushed by sycophants on this board and ownership. Other teams do it and the Cards can too. There's no excuse to not compete. If they're going to keep this system in place and eventually sign some top free agenst then why can't they just sign the top free agents now? You can't answer that can you? BTW, you keep harping Baez, tell me, has he faced a major league pitcher yet?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 23:34 pmlol so you will explain everything away to players making themselves better instead of giving the development system credit for anything. It’s just a shame all of those failed players coming up the past few years chose not to develop themselves and fix all of their problems and chose instead toCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:49 pmAnd you disrespect the fact that a player can get better without some coach making him better. It cuts both ways. As for why I bring up Springfield is because of the bull that the Cards minor leagues was in shambles and barren. It was a lie. There's no way Bloom had that much of an affect on Springfield.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 21:34 pmYou keep bringing up Springfield winning the championship like blooms development people had nothing to do with it lol Larry day and his people started working with Baez last January on cutting down his strike outs guess what he went from a fading prospect on his way out the door to a great prospect who helped them win the championship their development people worked with the pitchers including mautz who went from a 3-13 5.15 ERA pitcher at A+ to a 8-3 2.98 ERA at AA that kind of helped their championship run just because you don’t acknowledge what he’s doing to help the development systems doesn’t mean anything when results are already starting to showCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 20:35 pmSo they created 39 new positions? Sounds like something smelly to me. Secondly, are those positions permanent? Thirdly, none of that excuses not fielding a competitive team. Fourth, where players eat doesn't matter at all and could just as easily be a detriment. They just won a championship in Springfield and I hardly think any of these "new" hires and eating together had anything to do with it. Just more propaganda in my opinion. The fact is that they are planning to lose on purpose. It's just wrong.ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 15:45 pm Some of the items discussed in video linked :
When Bloom arrived in Oct.2023 , the Cardinals had 39 front office members in Baseball Ops, Player Development, , Physical Performance, and
Player Technology. Since that time, Bloom has 78 positons in those 4 areas.. ( doubling the personnel to enhance those areas )
As one example, there was not a full-time catcher instructor nor an outfield instructor ( Walker, for example, had no OF instructor when they transitioned him from IF to OF when he was in the minors. ) They do now in the minors.
Josua Baez was floundering his way thru the minors and thru their enhanced technology performance center, instructors/coaches there have improved Baez considerably making him a much better player close to major league ready.
This year's TC also has numerous coaches/instructors at various stations that not only watch but give immediate feedback to the players that didn't happen previously .
Another change is their new 'Birdfeeder' dining room complex where the minor leaguers can sit with major leaguers for lunch . Previously , the major league guys sat separate and rarely interacted with the minor leaguers invited to camp. So better interaction with players from all levels.
The minor league personnel has been improved and the ranking of the system is now highly rated among all 32 teams. Bodes well for the future.
If you wish to listen to the full video , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnvyrmxVEk
Just suck. I mean I guess you think they just decide I will be better and boom miracles happen they just get better. And it’s a shame Baez chose to wait until the development team started working with him to decide to develop himself if he had chosen to do it when he was drafted he would have been in the majors already lol
I completely agree. The Cardinals are not about competing; they are about championships.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:40 amNo and I never said that. But I also don't believe that coaches make a huge difference either. Can they help? Sure, but not likely to turn and average player into a superstar. That takes talent. Regardless, you can't tell me that they can't afford the coaches and other things and still not field a competitve team. That's bull being pushed by sycophants on this board and ownership. Other teams do it and the Cards can too. There's no excuse to not compete. If they're going to keep this system in place and eventually sign some top free agenst then why can't they just sign the top free agents now? You can't answer that can you? BTW, you keep harping Baez, tell me, has he faced a major league pitcher yet?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 23:34 pmlol so you will explain everything away to players making themselves better instead of giving the development system credit for anything. It’s just a shame all of those failed players coming up the past few years chose not to develop themselves and fix all of their problems and chose instead toCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:49 pmAnd you disrespect the fact that a player can get better without some coach making him better. It cuts both ways. As for why I bring up Springfield is because of the bull that the Cards minor leagues was in shambles and barren. It was a lie. There's no way Bloom had that much of an affect on Springfield.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 21:34 pmYou keep bringing up Springfield winning the championship like blooms development people had nothing to do with it lol Larry day and his people started working with Baez last January on cutting down his strike outs guess what he went from a fading prospect on his way out the door to a great prospect who helped them win the championship their development people worked with the pitchers including mautz who went from a 3-13 5.15 ERA pitcher at A+ to a 8-3 2.98 ERA at AA that kind of helped their championship run just because you don’t acknowledge what he’s doing to help the development systems doesn’t mean anything when results are already starting to showCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 20:35 pmSo they created 39 new positions? Sounds like something smelly to me. Secondly, are those positions permanent? Thirdly, none of that excuses not fielding a competitive team. Fourth, where players eat doesn't matter at all and could just as easily be a detriment. They just won a championship in Springfield and I hardly think any of these "new" hires and eating together had anything to do with it. Just more propaganda in my opinion. The fact is that they are planning to lose on purpose. It's just wrong.ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 15:45 pm Some of the items discussed in video linked :
When Bloom arrived in Oct.2023 , the Cardinals had 39 front office members in Baseball Ops, Player Development, , Physical Performance, and
Player Technology. Since that time, Bloom has 78 positons in those 4 areas.. ( doubling the personnel to enhance those areas )
As one example, there was not a full-time catcher instructor nor an outfield instructor ( Walker, for example, had no OF instructor when they transitioned him from IF to OF when he was in the minors. ) They do now in the minors.
Josua Baez was floundering his way thru the minors and thru their enhanced technology performance center, instructors/coaches there have improved Baez considerably making him a much better player close to major league ready.
This year's TC also has numerous coaches/instructors at various stations that not only watch but give immediate feedback to the players that didn't happen previously .
Another change is their new 'Birdfeeder' dining room complex where the minor leaguers can sit with major leaguers for lunch . Previously , the major league guys sat separate and rarely interacted with the minor leaguers invited to camp. So better interaction with players from all levels.
The minor league personnel has been improved and the ranking of the system is now highly rated among all 32 teams. Bodes well for the future.
If you wish to listen to the full video , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnvyrmxVEk
Just suck. I mean I guess you think they just decide I will be better and boom miracles happen they just get better. And it’s a shame Baez chose to wait until the development team started working with him to decide to develop himself if he had chosen to do it when he was drafted he would have been in the majors already lol
I think he gets credit for the organizational rebuild but not for the roster rebuildramfandan wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 15:45 pm Some of the items discussed in video linked :
When Bloom arrived in Oct.2023 , the Cardinals had 39 front office members in Baseball Ops, Player Development, , Physical Performance, and
Player Technology. Since that time, Bloom has 78 positons in those 4 areas.. ( doubling the personnel to enhance those areas )
As one example, there was not a full-time catcher instructor nor an outfield instructor ( Walker, for example, had no OF instructor when they transitioned him from IF to OF when he was in the minors. ) They do now in the minors.
Josua Baez was floundering his way thru the minors and thru their enhanced technology performance center, instructors/coaches there have improved Baez considerably making him a much better player close to major league ready.
This year's TC also has numerous coaches/instructors at various stations that not only watch but give immediate feedback to the players that didn't happen previously .
Another change is their new 'Birdfeeder' dining room complex where the minor leaguers can sit with major leaguers for lunch . Previously , the major league guys sat separate and rarely interacted with the minor leaguers invited to camp. So better interaction with players from all levels.
The minor league personnel has been improved and the ranking of the system is now highly rated among all 32 teams. Bodes well for the future.
If you wish to listen to the full video , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnvyrmxVEk
lol well you saying players and executives and anyone who is actually involved in the game are wrong and coaches don’t make a huge difference isn’t a very compelling argument. And sure Dewitt could spend money even though fans aren’t showing up to ball park to watch the team and they lostCCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:40 amNo and I never said that. But I also don't believe that coaches make a huge difference either. Can they help? Sure, but not likely to turn and average player into a superstar. That takes talent. Regardless, you can't tell me that they can't afford the coaches and other things and still not field a competitve team. That's bull being pushed by sycophants on this board and ownership. Other teams do it and the Cards can too. There's no excuse to not compete. If they're going to keep this system in place and eventually sign some top free agenst then why can't they just sign the top free agents now? You can't answer that can you? BTW, you keep harping Baez, tell me, has he faced a major league pitcher yet?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 23:34 pmlol so you will explain everything away to players making themselves better instead of giving the development system credit for anything. It’s just a shame all of those failed players coming up the past few years chose not to develop themselves and fix all of their problems and chose instead toCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 22:49 pmAnd you disrespect the fact that a player can get better without some coach making him better. It cuts both ways. As for why I bring up Springfield is because of the bull that the Cards minor leagues was in shambles and barren. It was a lie. There's no way Bloom had that much of an affect on Springfield.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 21:34 pmYou keep bringing up Springfield winning the championship like blooms development people had nothing to do with it lol Larry day and his people started working with Baez last January on cutting down his strike outs guess what he went from a fading prospect on his way out the door to a great prospect who helped them win the championship their development people worked with the pitchers including mautz who went from a 3-13 5.15 ERA pitcher at A+ to a 8-3 2.98 ERA at AA that kind of helped their championship run just because you don’t acknowledge what he’s doing to help the development systems doesn’t mean anything when results are already starting to showCCard wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 20:35 pmSo they created 39 new positions? Sounds like something smelly to me. Secondly, are those positions permanent? Thirdly, none of that excuses not fielding a competitive team. Fourth, where players eat doesn't matter at all and could just as easily be a detriment. They just won a championship in Springfield and I hardly think any of these "new" hires and eating together had anything to do with it. Just more propaganda in my opinion. The fact is that they are planning to lose on purpose. It's just wrong.ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Feb 2026 15:45 pm Some of the items discussed in video linked :
When Bloom arrived in Oct.2023 , the Cardinals had 39 front office members in Baseball Ops, Player Development, , Physical Performance, and
Player Technology. Since that time, Bloom has 78 positons in those 4 areas.. ( doubling the personnel to enhance those areas )
As one example, there was not a full-time catcher instructor nor an outfield instructor ( Walker, for example, had no OF instructor when they transitioned him from IF to OF when he was in the minors. ) They do now in the minors.
Josua Baez was floundering his way thru the minors and thru their enhanced technology performance center, instructors/coaches there have improved Baez considerably making him a much better player close to major league ready.
This year's TC also has numerous coaches/instructors at various stations that not only watch but give immediate feedback to the players that didn't happen previously .
Another change is their new 'Birdfeeder' dining room complex where the minor leaguers can sit with major leaguers for lunch . Previously , the major league guys sat separate and rarely interacted with the minor leaguers invited to camp. So better interaction with players from all levels.
The minor league personnel has been improved and the ranking of the system is now highly rated among all 32 teams. Bodes well for the future.
If you wish to listen to the full video , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnvyrmxVEk
Just suck. I mean I guess you think they just decide I will be better and boom miracles happen they just get better. And it’s a shame Baez chose to wait until the development team started working with him to decide to develop himself if he had chosen to do it when he was drafted he would have been in the majors already lol
The phase of dumping the veterans is done. The roster still needs to be re-made. They need to spend some time seeing how the new pieces fit together. They have too many catchers, too many LHH, too many middle infielders, and too many left handed pitchers in the system that need sorted through. They need a power hitter(s), stronger OF pool, and at least a couple RHP to dream on. They will be (I hope) sorting through some of this going forward.rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 08:52 am ESPN final offseason grades:
St. Louis Cardinals: B+
Key additions: RHP Hunter Dobbins, RHP Dustin May, RHP Richard Fitts, RHP Ryne Stanek, RHP/LHP Jurrangelo Cijntje, LHP Brandon Clarke
Key departures: RHP Sonny Gray, INF Brendan Donovan, 1B Willson Contreras, 3B Nolan Arenado, RHP Miles Mikolas
Well, it's done: The rebuild, the revamp, the step back -- whatever you want to call it -- is officially complete. The only players older than 30 on the 40-man roster are relievers Riley O'Brien and Stanek. The farm system has been improved, with five top-100 prospects led by infielder JJ Wetherholt, a top Rookie of the Year candidate for 2026. The payroll has been trimmed some $45 million from 2025, so that will make owner Bill DeWitt happy, although the organization will have to win back the fans with better results -- eventually -- on the field.
If you accept the premise of rebuilding, then Chaim Bloom did an excellent job. Improving the long-term viability of the rotation was the biggest need and Bloom did that with two separate trades with his old friends in Boston and then the Donovan deal. Dobbins and Fitts are more fourth/fifth-starter types, and Cijntje and Clarke are power arms with higher ceilings but reliever risk. They were two of the better prospects to switch teams this winter. What we don't know: With a payroll now half of what it was just two years ago, where will the Cardinals go in the future?
AgreedTalkin' Baseball wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 10:02 amThe phase of dumping the veterans is done. The roster still needs to be re-made. They need to spend some time seeing how the new pieces fit together. They have too many catchers, too many LHH, too many middle infielders, and too many left handed pitchers in the system that need sorted through. They need a power hitter(s), stronger OF pool, and at least a couple RHP to dream on. They will be (I hope) sorting through some of this going forward.rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 08:52 am ESPN final offseason grades:
St. Louis Cardinals: B+
Key additions: RHP Hunter Dobbins, RHP Dustin May, RHP Richard Fitts, RHP Ryne Stanek, RHP/LHP Jurrangelo Cijntje, LHP Brandon Clarke
Key departures: RHP Sonny Gray, INF Brendan Donovan, 1B Willson Contreras, 3B Nolan Arenado, RHP Miles Mikolas
Well, it's done: The rebuild, the revamp, the step back -- whatever you want to call it -- is officially complete. The only players older than 30 on the 40-man roster are relievers Riley O'Brien and Stanek. The farm system has been improved, with five top-100 prospects led by infielder JJ Wetherholt, a top Rookie of the Year candidate for 2026. The payroll has been trimmed some $45 million from 2025, so that will make owner Bill DeWitt happy, although the organization will have to win back the fans with better results -- eventually -- on the field.
If you accept the premise of rebuilding, then Chaim Bloom did an excellent job. Improving the long-term viability of the rotation was the biggest need and Bloom did that with two separate trades with his old friends in Boston and then the Donovan deal. Dobbins and Fitts are more fourth/fifth-starter types, and Cijntje and Clarke are power arms with higher ceilings but reliever risk. They were two of the better prospects to switch teams this winter. What we don't know: With a payroll now half of what it was just two years ago, where will the Cardinals go in the future?