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Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 10:42 am
by TopofthePerch
45s wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:03 am
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:46 am
What I think gets overlooked a lot is batting guys in the order they are comfortable in. Wetherholt for example. Does anybody think he’s ever hit 7th in his whole life? It’s tough enough adjusting to the Majors, why not put him in a position where he’s always been? Why have him try and make another adjustment? Some people will Pooh, Pooh all over this, but it is a real thing. The Cardinals have been notorious for doing this! Kolton Wong, and Harrison Bader are just two examples of this. These two were always the catalysts of their teams and fed off of that. With the Cardinals, they were always trying to prove that they weren’t “ bottom of the order” hitters.
A players mental status is just as important as their physical state!
So, I hope Oli does not mess with JJ. He has always hit at the top of the order, that’s where he needs to stay!
What is the “adjustment “?
Do they use a different ball? Does he not get four balls and three strikes…?
If he leads off the third inning, is that different from leading off the second inning?
See the ball…hit the ball.
If the young man is that fragile, perhaps he’s not ready for the bigs?
Also it's very normal for a young player to not immediately be thrown into the top 4 spots in the lineup. J.J hasn't even played one spring training game yet
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 10:42 am
by rockondlouie
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
Way off from what it should be given those players:
1-Noot
2-JJW
3-Burly
4-Hererra (DH)
5-Gorman
6-Walker
7-Winn
8-Pages
9-VSII
Libby, May, McG, Fitts, Leahy
Pitiful for them to place JJW behind Winn, Walker and Gorman in their lineup.
But one of Oli's BIGGEST weaknesses is his inability to set a lineup correctly so it wouldn't shock me if he does.
And H E L L NO on Pallante in the SR, Fitts will get that spot (IMO).
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 10:55 am
by 82birds
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
now there's a lineup that will strike fear in the opposing pitcher.
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 11:19 am
by Jatalk
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:27 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:07 am
45s wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:03 am
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:46 am
What I think gets overlooked a lot is batting guys in the order they are comfortable in. Wetherholt for example. Does anybody think he’s ever hit 7th in his whole life? It’s tough enough adjusting to the Majors, why not put him in a position where he’s always been? Why have him try and make another adjustment? Some people will Pooh, Pooh all over this, but it is a real thing. The Cardinals have been notorious for doing this! Kolton Wong, and Harrison Bader are just two examples of this. These two were always the catalysts of their teams and fed off of that. With the Cardinals, they were always trying to prove that they weren’t “ bottom of the order” hitters.
A players mental status is just as important as their physical state!
So, I hope Oli does not mess with JJ. He has always hit at the top of the order, that’s where he needs to stay!
What is the “adjustment “?
Do they use a different ball? Does he not get four balls and three strikes…?
If he leads off the third inning, is that different from leading off the second inning?
See the ball…hit the ball.
If the young man is that fragile, perhaps he’s not ready for the bigs?
It makes no sense to put a rookie at top of lineup unless he has a blockbuster ST. Even then I would want him down in the line up. CT posters continue to elevate JJ to star status before his first MLB game.
JJ can handle hitting at the top of the order. He is likely one of our top 2 hitters already. No annointing, just facts.
How can you make that statement? He has not faced one major league pitcher. Maybe you are GUESSING correctly but you have little factual evidence to suggest that.
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 11:24 am
by 45s
TopofthePerch wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:42 am
45s wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:03 am
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:46 am
What I think gets overlooked a lot is batting guys in the order they are comfortable in. Wetherholt for example. Does anybody think he’s ever hit 7th in his whole life? It’s tough enough adjusting to the Majors, why not put him in a position where he’s always been? Why have him try and make another adjustment? Some people will Pooh, Pooh all over this, but it is a real thing. The Cardinals have been notorious for doing this! Kolton Wong, and Harrison Bader are just two examples of this. These two were always the catalysts of their teams and fed off of that. With the Cardinals, they were always trying to prove that they weren’t “ bottom of the order” hitters.
A players mental status is just as important as their physical state!
So, I hope Oli does not mess with JJ. He has always hit at the top of the order, that’s where he needs to stay!
What is the “adjustment “?
Do they use a different ball? Does he not get four balls and three strikes…?
If he leads off the third inning, is that different from leading off the second inning?
See the ball…hit the ball.
If the young man is that fragile, perhaps he’s not ready for the bigs?
Also it's very normal for a young player to not immediately be thrown into the top 4 spots in the lineup. J.J hasn't even played one spring training game yet
May I refer you to card4life….
His mancrush on the player notwithstanding, he has apparently followed the young man around the minor leagues and watched him do well …
What I didn’t realize, is that apparently good minor league numbers always translate to MLB success
The fact is….the waiver wire is full of guys who had minor league success..
As noted, I wish the player well, but the exalted status cards4life has conferred upon him is premature.
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 11:30 am
by mattmitchl44
Burleson and Herrera at #3, #4 makes sense.
Pages/Crooks and Scott at #8, #9 makes sense.
Gorman and Walker somewhere in #5, #6, #7 makes sense.
Nootbaar, Winn, and Wetherholt between #1, #2, and the other #5/#6/#7 spot would seem to be what might be up in the air a bit at this point.
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 11:33 am
by Cardinals4Life
Jatalk wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 11:19 am
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:27 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:07 am
45s wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:03 am
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:46 am
What I think gets overlooked a lot is batting guys in the order they are comfortable in. Wetherholt for example. Does anybody think he’s ever hit 7th in his whole life? It’s tough enough adjusting to the Majors, why not put him in a position where he’s always been? Why have him try and make another adjustment? Some people will Pooh, Pooh all over this, but it is a real thing. The Cardinals have been notorious for doing this! Kolton Wong, and Harrison Bader are just two examples of this. These two were always the catalysts of their teams and fed off of that. With the Cardinals, they were always trying to prove that they weren’t “ bottom of the order” hitters.
A players mental status is just as important as their physical state!
So, I hope Oli does not mess with JJ. He has always hit at the top of the order, that’s where he needs to stay!
What is the “adjustment “?
Do they use a different ball? Does he not get four balls and three strikes…?
If he leads off the third inning, is that different from leading off the second inning?
See the ball…hit the ball.
If the young man is that fragile, perhaps he’s not ready for the bigs?
It makes no sense to put a rookie at top of lineup unless he has a blockbuster ST. Even then I would want him down in the line up. CT posters continue to elevate JJ to star status before his first MLB game.
JJ can handle hitting at the top of the order. He is likely one of our top 2 hitters already. No annointing, just facts.
How can you make that statement? He has not faced one major league pitcher. Maybe you are GUESSING correctly but you have little factual evidence to suggest that.
Because I have seen the kid play extensively and I know high-quality baseball players when I see them. He is special. No guessing here.
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 11:36 am
by Jatalk
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 11:33 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 11:19 am
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:27 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:07 am
45s wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:03 am
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:46 am
What I think gets overlooked a lot is batting guys in the order they are comfortable in. Wetherholt for example. Does anybody think he’s ever hit 7th in his whole life? It’s tough enough adjusting to the Majors, why not put him in a position where he’s always been? Why have him try and make another adjustment? Some people will Pooh, Pooh all over this, but it is a real thing. The Cardinals have been notorious for doing this! Kolton Wong, and Harrison Bader are just two examples of this. These two were always the catalysts of their teams and fed off of that. With the Cardinals, they were always trying to prove that they weren’t “ bottom of the order” hitters.
A players mental status is just as important as their physical state!
So, I hope Oli does not mess with JJ. He has always hit at the top of the order, that’s where he needs to stay!
What is the “adjustment “?
Do they use a different ball? Does he not get four balls and three strikes…?
If he leads off the third inning, is that different from leading off the second inning?
See the ball…hit the ball.
If the young man is that fragile, perhaps he’s not ready for the bigs?
It makes no sense to put a rookie at top of lineup unless he has a blockbuster ST. Even then I would want him down in the line up. CT posters continue to elevate JJ to star status before his first MLB game.
JJ can handle hitting at the top of the order. He is likely one of our top 2 hitters already. No annointing, just facts.
How can you make that statement? He has not faced one major league pitcher. Maybe you are GUESSING correctly but you have little factual evidence to suggest that.
Because I have seen the kid play extensively and I know high-quality baseball players when I see them. He is special. No guessing here.
Well I hope you’re right.
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 12:19 pm
by Melville
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:23 am
Melville wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:23 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
I saw that.
It displays deep and profound ignorance of what Bloom has in mind.
Looks like Marmol made that out!
Good catch.
Indeed it does!
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 12:31 pm
by ramfandan
82birds wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:55 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
now there's a lineup that will strike fear in the opposing pitcher.
So you are saying that spots 3 thru 7 is not exactly 'murderers row'
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 12:42 pm
by smilinjoefission
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
Where does Fitts and Dobbins fit in? Pallante shouldn't be starting.
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 12:47 pm
by ICCFIM2
rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 10:42 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
Way off from what it should be given those players:
1-Noot
2-JJW
3-Burly
4-Hererra (DH)
5-Gorman
6-Walker
7-Winn
8-Pages
9-VSII
Libby, May, McG, Fitts, Leahy
Pitiful for them to place JJW behind Winn, Walker and Gorman in their lineup.
But one of Oli's BIGGEST weaknesses is his inability to set a lineup correctly so it wouldn't shock me if he does.
And H E L L NO on Pallante in the SR, Fitts will get that spot (IMO).
We are all more or less using the same starting 9. I think Saggese and Fermin will earn significant playing time as well. In particular since it is unclear if Noot will be ready on opening day.
Dobbins is the higher rated of the two starters acquired from Boston between Fitts and Dobbins. I expect they will go with a 6 man rotation and see who performs well. Pallante could pitch himself back into the rotation with a good spring. Any of the pitchers except probably Liberatore or McGreevy could pitch themselves out of the rotation with a bad spring.
I am pretty happy to see what this group can do. They might be bad. They might also surprise a lot of people.
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 12:53 pm
by icon
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
What it's worth? Worthless. Low OBP in the 2 and 3 slots is beyond stupid. And counting on Noot at LO ain't too smart, either. Pallante in the rotation along with Leahy?
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 13:21 pm
by cosmo.kramer
Looking at last year's lineups, these were the most common placements for each guy:
Nootbar (1, 436 of 583 PA's, 75%)
Winn (2, 273 of 537 PA's, 51%)
Herrera (2, 288 of 452 PA's, 64%)
Burleson (3, 296 of 546 PA's, 54%)
Gorman (7, 124 of 402 PA's, 31%)
Walker (7, 157 of 396 PA's, 40%)
Pages (8, 253 of 389 PA's, 65%)
Scott (9, 346 of 463 PA's, 75%)
My comment in the other lineup thread discussed Wetherholt and Church in Memphis (they mostly hit 1/2)
So to recap, the leadoff guy is injured, there's no 4-6, and the two decent RHB both hit 2nd. They need another lefty in the top half, and the only guy who makes even a little sense there is Wetherholt.
Not what I would necessarily do, but prediction:
Wetherholt (L)
Winn (R)
Burleson (L)
Herrera (R)
Gorman (L)
Walker (R)
Church (L)
Pages (R)
Scott (L)
Gulp
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 13:32 pm
by Carp4Cy
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
If those are our starting rotation, what was the point of trading really good players plus serious cash for Dobbins and fits?
Re: mlb.com starting lineup for Cardinals
Posted: 16 Feb 2026 13:40 pm
by Pura Vida
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Feb 2026 09:17 am
as posted on the crawl on MLB Network .. listed their projected batting order and rotation lineup
1. Noot
2. Winn
3. Burly
4. Herrera
5. Gorman
6. Walker
7. Wetherholt
8. Pages
9. Scott II
Rotation order: Libby, May, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy
Take it for what it's worth
No power...no speed minus Scott...no great defense...no ace!
