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Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 07:57 am
by sikeston bulldog2
TopofthePerch wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 07:53 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 07:40 am
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 07:37 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:15 pm
One of the young catchers? Maybe package one of them with Romero?
Where are they all going to play and get AB's?
Do we carry Herrera, Pages and one other catcher out of camp?
I think it's less of a logjam than you might think. Pages is a backup, period. Herrera is iffy to even stick at catcher. Crooks is young and has a lot of potential, but it's no guarantee he is anything other than a backup either. And in today's it's a 60-40 to 50-50 split. The days of the ironman catcher are over.
I think you can pretty easily carry all three, mainly because of Herrera. I think he's your best candidate to DH if he isn't catching. Even if he does catch, you can do some kind of rotation where he and Crooks get into the rotation. And although I am trying to stay positive on Herrera's ability to catch, it's far from guaranteed. And if he can't, problem solved.
Or just trade Pages. Not sure if he has options, but you can also send him down. You have Pozo catching in Memphis, so he's a fine backup if Pages is not on the team and one of Crooks or Herrera get hurt. I like Pages as a backup, but he's easily the most disposable of the three.
Nice write. I think Pages hits ok. Wanna trade? Him and Romero would pair nicely. Then the logjam eases.
I completely agree and with the news that Nootbar is close to ready for opening day makes me think you should float interest in him out there. Maybe they can make something work with those pieces to help bloom add what he is looking for
You make a great observation- what he’s looking for. So far it’s been a saturation of young arms and infielders. He will eventually turn to outfielders. The question is- is it now.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:11 am
by ScotchMIrish
bccardsfan wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:18 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:15 pm
One of the young catchers? Maybe package one of them with Romero?
Where are they all going to play and get AB's?
Do we carry Herrera, Pages and one other catcher out of camp?
We are deepest and catcher and middle infielders. Romero and a catching prospect is certainly possible. Not sure what you would get that would really help. I suppose you might get a AAA OF prospect ready to get a shot at the show. That is what we need. You will not get a proven starting major league OFer worth a lot, unless they are in the walk year.
I don't see the Cardinals being "deep" anywhere. Trading a catcher before we know how they will progress could be a repeat of Alcantara, Gallen and Arozarena.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:21 am
by Clubmaker2
you have more catchers than MLB playing time for the next 3 years, and maybe only one outfielder for 3 spots.....If your talent evaluation is so bad you cant trade what you have too much of for what you have way to little of, then just close up show and learn to make coffees.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:26 am
by 11WSChamps
ecleme22 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 07:17 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:15 pm
One of the young catchers? Maybe package one of them with Romero?
Where are they all going to play and get AB's?
Do we carry Herrera, Pages and one other catcher out of camp?
I think it's a tad early to have anxiety about young catchers.
Maybe Bloom gets an offer he can't refuse. But I'm guessing he doesn't have the same "blocking!" anxiety Mo did, which was the primary rationale behind the Randy trade, and played a part in the Gallen/Sandy trade.
I'm not worried about it I just believe if Herrera isn't going to be the guy then lets clarify what we want to do with the position going forward so all these catchers get adequate playing time to sort things out.
Although a few years away you still have Rodriguez in the pipeline. He may not remain a catcher in the long run but for now he is.
As far as misguided trades all organizations make those.
The other side of the coin is keeping young players too long, getting exposed, then having little value at all. The Cardinals have been just as guilty of that.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:28 am
by 11WSChamps
Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 08:21 am
you have more catchers than MLB playing time for the next 3 years, and maybe only one outfielder for 3 spots.....If your talent evaluation is so bad you cant trade what you have too much of for what you have way to little of, then just close up show and learn to make coffees.
Amen.
The last GM couldn't evaluate a one legged man at an (donkey) kicking contest.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:31 am
by Melville
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 23:20 pm
Melville wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:32 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:20 pm
bccardsfan wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:18 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:15 pm
One of the young catchers? Maybe package one of them with Romero?
Where are they all going to play and get AB's?
Do we carry Herrera, Pages and one other catcher out of camp?
We are deepest and catcher and middle infielders. Romero and a catching prospect is certainly possible. Not sure what you would get that would really help. I suppose you might get a AAA OF prospect ready to get a shot at the show. That is what we need. You will not get a proven starting major league OFer worth a lot, unless they are in the walk year.
Yeah I'm just trying to figure out the logjam at catcher now that they're determined Herrera will catch.
They are not determined to have Herrera catch.
At most, Bloom will give him a courtesy look - with no real intention of Herrera sticking.
Then why do it?
It makes no sense unless Herrera has made it known he doesn't want to be relegated to DHing 80% of the time.
As far as I know he hasn't been using an OFers glove in the off season getting tutelage there so what is the end game here and shouldn't there be a definitive plan for perhaps the best RH bat in the organization at this time?
The Marmot is an idiot at handling and leading people.
The Marmot believes that insincerely telling Herrera what he wants to hear, with no intention on carrying through with it, will fool and placate him.
The Marmot asked Bloom to go along with the talk track - and Bloom agreed.
Both know full well Herrera has no future as a full time catcher.
They simply want Herrera to reach that same conclusion himself and are simply stringing him along until he does.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:32 am
by HorseTrader
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 23:20 pm
Melville wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:32 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:20 pm
bccardsfan wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:18 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:15 pm
One of the young catchers? Maybe package one of them with Romero?
Where are they all going to play and get AB's?
Do we carry Herrera, Pages and one other catcher out of camp?
We are deepest and catcher and middle infielders. Romero and a catching prospect is certainly possible. Not sure what you would get that would really help. I suppose you might get a AAA OF prospect ready to get a shot at the show. That is what we need. You will not get a proven starting major league OFer worth a lot, unless they are in the walk year.
Yeah I'm just trying to figure out the logjam at catcher now that they're determined Herrera will catch.
They are not determined to have Herrera catch.
At most, Bloom will give him a courtesy look - with no real intention of Herrera sticking.
Then why do it?
It makes no sense unless Herrera has made it known he doesn't want to be relegated to DHing 80% of the time.
As far as I know he hasn't been using an OFers glove in the off season getting tutelage there so what is the end game here and shouldn't there be a definitive plan for perhaps the best RH bat in the organization at this time?
Take it for what's it worth. I had seen this statement over the winter (Probably in PD) but couldn't locate it. This was found by AI . I've posted the link below the statement
Catching Ambition: Despite injury setbacks, Herrera has previously stated his desire to establish himself as a full-time catcher and improve defensively.
https://www.google.com/search?q=has+iva ... e&ie=UTF-8
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:38 am
by 11WSChamps
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 07:37 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:15 pm
One of the young catchers? Maybe package one of them with Romero?
Where are they all going to play and get AB's?
Do we carry Herrera, Pages and one other catcher out of camp?
I think it's less of a logjam than you might think. Pages is a backup, period. Herrera is iffy to even stick at catcher. Crooks is young and has a lot of potential, but it's no guarantee he is anything other than a backup either. And in today's it's a 60-40 to 50-50 split. The days of the ironman catcher are over.
I think you can pretty easily carry all three, mainly because of Herrera. I think he's your best candidate to DH if he isn't catching. Even if he does catch, you can do some kind of rotation where he and Crooks get into the rotation. And although I am trying to stay positive on Herrera's ability to catch, it's far from guaranteed. And if he can't, problem solved.
Or just trade Pages. Not sure if he has options, but you can also send him down. You have Pozo catching in Memphis, so he's a fine backup if Pages is not on the team and one of Crooks or Herrera get hurt. I like Pages as a backup, but he's easily the most disposable of the three.
Five will get you ten when the smoke clears Pages will wind up doing the bulk of the catching at least the first half of the season.
The Cardinals love this guy and you can see a connection with his teammates.
I understand Bloom doesn't have to trade anyone but you can almost count on Pages sticking around and being one of the two guys whoever that will be who gets a good share of playing time.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:48 am
by Melville
11WSChamps wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 08:38 am
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 07:37 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 22:15 pm
One of the young catchers? Maybe package one of them with Romero?
Where are they all going to play and get AB's?
Do we carry Herrera, Pages and one other catcher out of camp?
I think it's less of a logjam than you might think. Pages is a backup, period. Herrera is iffy to even stick at catcher. Crooks is young and has a lot of potential, but it's no guarantee he is anything other than a backup either. And in today's it's a 60-40 to 50-50 split. The days of the ironman catcher are over.
I think you can pretty easily carry all three, mainly because of Herrera. I think he's your best candidate to DH if he isn't catching. Even if he does catch, you can do some kind of rotation where he and Crooks get into the rotation. And although I am trying to stay positive on Herrera's ability to catch, it's far from guaranteed. And if he can't, problem solved.
Or just trade Pages. Not sure if he has options, but you can also send him down. You have Pozo catching in Memphis, so he's a fine backup if Pages is not on the team and one of Crooks or Herrera get hurt. I like Pages as a backup, but he's easily the most disposable of the three.
Five will get you ten when the smoke clears Pages will wind up doing the bulk of the catching at least the first half of the season.
The Cardinals love this guy and you can see a connection with his teammates.
I understand Bloom doesn't have to trade anyone but you can almost count on Pages sticking around and being one of the two guys whoever that will be who gets a good share of playing time.
Absolutely correct.
The pitching staff will demand to have Pages, likely paired with Crooks, behind the plate.
They kicked Herrera out of the job each of the last 2 years and will do so again if necessary.
Further, with all the young arms on the staff, coaches cannot possibly be stupid enough to put them in the hands of Herrera.
This is the primary reason Contreras was traded: it allows Burleson's bat to be at 1b and give Herrera an opportunity to DH and prove his brief September power surge was not a fluke.
Herrera may get a few turns at catcher, but will be the rare 3rd catcher on the depth chart.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 08:58 am
by rockondlouie
ramfandan wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 21:36 pm
Many at camp believe Chaim has at least one more move this spring. Of course, most speculation goes to JoJo Romero .
In one article I read, it was discussed whether a trade would be better at the 'deadline' vs. prior to the season.
A case for trading him now was that relievers can be quite volatile in their perfromance from year to year (they remember Helsley slump) and of course injury risk factors into the decision also. JoJo had a lot of ground balls for outs n 2025 . Sometimes those same grounders the next year find the holes rather than the gloves at a high rate .
Thus some feel trade JoJo while he is both healthy and coming off a very good 2025.
If not JoJo , do you think Chaim has any other player he would trade prior to March ?
I've been saying this a lot but it's my belief that JoJo is a solo deal won't being back a prospect who will ever make an impact here.
I'd keep him, then possibly bundle him mid season w/...Noot?...or Pages? for a better return.
If I'm Bloom, then I'm not dealing him in a solo deal unless some team bowls me over w/their offer.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 09:24 am
by mattmitchl44
I've thought all offseason that the Cardinals deal one of Pages or Crooks. If you plan for Herrera to catch at least some this year, and you have Pozo who you could go to, and Bernal who may not be far away, then Rodriguez following him, they could package one of Pages or Crooks with Romero if they get a deal they like.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 09:29 am
by RunSup
A 3-way,...
Noot shows he is close. Then,...
Noot to Houston for Paredes
Paredes to Boston for Witherspoon
Add whatever fluff to make that happen.
Then deal Romero for ML ready outfield depth
Bloom doesn't talk to me.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 09:49 am
by TopofthePerch
RunSup wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 09:29 am
A 3-way,...
Noot shows he is close. Then,...
Noot to Houston for Paredes
Paredes to Boston for Witherspoon
Add whatever fluff to make that happen.
Then deal Romero for ML ready outfield depth
Bloom doesn't talk to me.
I am looking at the Dodgers. Noot would make a good fourth outfielder for them and they could use a left handed bat. Also they have four outfielders in th top 100 along with zero catching prospects in their top 30. Along with the fact they could lengthen that bullpen even more with Romero. It seems like you could find a deal there that would move the needle.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 09:50 am
by Ronnie Dobbs
11WSChamps wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 08:38 amFive will get you ten when the smoke clears Pages will wind up doing the bulk of the catching at least the first half of the season.
The Cardinals love this guy and you can see a connection with his teammates.
I understand Bloom doesn't have to trade anyone but you can almost count on Pages sticking around and being one of the two guys whoever that will be who gets a good share of playing time.
Yea, I think that's very possible too.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 09:54 am
by Hoosier59
rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 08:58 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 21:36 pm
Many at camp believe Chaim has at least one more move this spring. Of course, most speculation goes to JoJo Romero .
In one article I read, it was discussed whether a trade would be better at the 'deadline' vs. prior to the season.
A case for trading him now was that relievers can be quite volatile in their perfromance from year to year (they remember Helsley slump) and of course injury risk factors into the decision also. JoJo had a lot of ground balls for outs n 2025 . Sometimes those same grounders the next year find the holes rather than the gloves at a high rate .
Thus some feel trade JoJo while he is both healthy and coming off a very good 2025.
If not JoJo , do you think Chaim has any other player he would trade prior to March ?
I've been saying this a lot but it's my belief that JoJo is a solo deal won't being back a prospect who will ever make an impact here.
I'd keep him, then possibly bundle him mid season w/...Noot?...or Pages? for a better return.
If I'm Bloom, then I'm not dealing him in a solo deal unless some team bowls me over w/their offer.
Which is why I can’t understand why he wasn’t bundled with Donovan!
I find it extremely hard to believe that the two of them together could not have brought back a very good outfield prospect.
Then throw in the idea that one of our catchers could have been included, or say, one of our abundance of left handed starters, like Hansen. What kind of a player/players might have that brought back in return?
Obviously this is just all speculation, as we’ve no idea what kind of talks took place, but does it really seem to anybody that Bloom actually tried to acquire that young right handed power outfielder? It seems to me all he was concerned with was getting as many young pitching prospects as he could.
Re: Bloom : 'We'll continue to be active ..'
Posted: 13 Feb 2026 09:59 am
by kyace
Yankees still looking for a left handed reliever and a right handed hitting back up catcher. Seems to be a perfect match as they are loaded with right handed pitching prospects.