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Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 07 Feb 2026 18:13 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Mort Gage wrote: 07 Feb 2026 18:10 pm He's only seventeen......
That’s what I thought when I saw he’s throwing 95 wow throwing that hard at that age? Impressive

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 07 Feb 2026 18:17 pm
by Mort Gage
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 07 Feb 2026 18:13 pm
Mort Gage wrote: 07 Feb 2026 18:10 pm He's only seventeen......
That’s what I thought when I saw he’s throwing 95 wow throwing that hard at that age? Impressive
There's a lyric in there. A bad song though. Sikeston...paging Sikeston. That's exceptional velocity for his age, or any age.

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 07 Feb 2026 18:44 pm
by Cardly
Parents, take your agent with you to your kids tball games this spring. Bloomer and his crew will be drafting 5 year olds soon. Grief!!

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 07 Feb 2026 18:51 pm
by BrockFloodMaris
Cardly wrote: 07 Feb 2026 18:44 pm Parents, take your agent with you to your kids tball games this spring. Bloomer and his crew will be drafting 5 year olds soon. Grief!!
17 is the minimum age for international players to sign.

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 07 Feb 2026 18:53 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Cardly wrote: 07 Feb 2026 18:44 pm Parents, take your agent with you to your kids tball games this spring. Bloomer and his crew will be drafting 5 year olds soon. Grief!!
lol you do know that’s when most international players sign don’t you? If you’re signing a guy who’s 20+ years old out of the Dominican or Venezuela you just signed a non prospect because if they were any good the would have been signed when they were 17

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 07 Feb 2026 19:05 pm
by WeeVikes
RichieRichSTL wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:57 pm
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 13:01 pm Oh no, not a right-handed OF who can play NOW!
People know its going to be a bloodbath this year. They simply don't have enough talent at the major league level to be put together a competitive team. That's what happens in a rebuild. Since the trade deadline, they have traded away players who had contracts that would expire by the time their competitive window would open for varying degrees of promising young players who would be under team control by the time they hoped the competitive windown would open again (2028).

Of course that means that in the short-term they have a greater talent deficit, more severe at some places rather than others on the roster. As we have seen fielding a credibly competitive starting rotation is one of the most challenging part of roster construction. So, it makes sense that is the first and biggest priority. It's one thing to put a mediocre OF on the field, but if you simply do not have enough arms to pitch at the major league level and enough arms in the minors to gear up for the next competitive field, you are in serious trouble.

Bad hitting can kill a rally or cut short an inning, but bad pitching lead to a disaster of an inning and can lead to dramatic overuse of the BP. In other words, bad pitching can make games a disaster, wreck your roster and harm arms on the roster. Bad hitting doesn't have that dramatic downside. It just means your club will struggle to score and that your offense will be boring.

I fully expect by 2028:
1) Hitting talent in the minors to bubble up.
2) Bloom to have make moves, some earlier.

such that the hitting will improve to respectable by 2028 and may be significantly better next year.

But, really he just traded away 2 strong hitters and a strong pitcher and a respectable but fading third baseman on a team that has been miserable for three years running. Are you expecting that anything he does to firm up the OF offense is going to improve the team appreciably. Do you really expect much this season? I don't. What I'd like to see is Walker/Gorman to let us know once and for all if they have the moxy to be at least serviceable major leaguers. I expect Nootbaar if he is always going to be meh or if he's going to stay healthy and a solid offensive force. I expect Scott to show if he can hit enough to justify his arm and legs in CF.

I expect to see if Liberatore is for real and to see if there are hidden gems in the young pitching in the majors.

I expect beter progress with our players in our farm system.

--

In other words, I expect them to get a better idea of what they need, for our young players to progress and for them to not give up on the field. It is more important I come away in the next year or two with
1) Hope for the midterm starting in about 2028.
2) A sense that they the a) clubhouse has a better chemistry/vibe to it.

I know the team won't be that great in 2026, so I'm not going to get all bent out of shape if Bloom hasn't turned around or upgraded every position on the roster.
I am in 100% agreement with you, hence the blue font!

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 07 Feb 2026 20:18 pm
by RichieRichSTL
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 19:05 pm
RichieRichSTL wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:57 pm
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 13:01 pm Oh no, not a right-handed OF who can play NOW!
People know its going to be a bloodbath this year. They simply don't have enough talent at the major league level to be put together a competitive team. That's what happens in a rebuild. Since the trade deadline, they have traded away players who had contracts that would expire by the time their competitive window would open for varying degrees of promising young players who would be under team control by the time they hoped the competitive windown would open again (2028).

Of course that means that in the short-term they have a greater talent deficit, more severe at some places rather than others on the roster. As we have seen fielding a credibly competitive starting rotation is one of the most challenging part of roster construction. So, it makes sense that is the first and biggest priority. It's one thing to put a mediocre OF on the field, but if you simply do not have enough arms to pitch at the major league level and enough arms in the minors to gear up for the next competitive field, you are in serious trouble.

Bad hitting can kill a rally or cut short an inning, but bad pitching lead to a disaster of an inning and can lead to dramatic overuse of the BP. In other words, bad pitching can make games a disaster, wreck your roster and harm arms on the roster. Bad hitting doesn't have that dramatic downside. It just means your club will struggle to score and that your offense will be boring.

I fully expect by 2028:
1) Hitting talent in the minors to bubble up.
2) Bloom to have make moves, some earlier.

such that the hitting will improve to respectable by 2028 and may be significantly better next year.

But, really he just traded away 2 strong hitters and a strong pitcher and a respectable but fading third baseman on a team that has been miserable for three years running. Are you expecting that anything he does to firm up the OF offense is going to improve the team appreciably. Do you really expect much this season? I don't. What I'd like to see is Walker/Gorman to let us know once and for all if they have the moxy to be at least serviceable major leaguers. I expect Nootbaar if he is always going to be meh or if he's going to stay healthy and a solid offensive force. I expect Scott to show if he can hit enough to justify his arm and legs in CF.

I expect to see if Liberatore is for real and to see if there are hidden gems in the young pitching in the majors.

I expect beter progress with our players in our farm system.

--

In other words, I expect them to get a better idea of what they need, for our young players to progress and for them to not give up on the field. It is more important I come away in the next year or two with
1) Hope for the midterm starting in about 2028.
2) A sense that they the a) clubhouse has a better chemistry/vibe to it.

I know the team won't be that great in 2026, so I'm not going to get all bent out of shape if Bloom hasn't turned around or upgraded every position on the roster.
I am in 100% agreement with you, hence the blue font!
I gotta. :mrgreen: but some people are freaking out. Lets breakout in year 3 of the rebuild, 2028, and it is going poorly. Not the front end of it.

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 07 Feb 2026 21:42 pm
by BrockFloodMaris
RichieRichSTL wrote: 07 Feb 2026 20:18 pm
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 19:05 pm
RichieRichSTL wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:57 pm
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 13:01 pm Oh no, not a right-handed OF who can play NOW!
People know its going to be a bloodbath this year. They simply don't have enough talent at the major league level to be put together a competitive team. That's what happens in a rebuild. Since the trade deadline, they have traded away players who had contracts that would expire by the time their competitive window would open for varying degrees of promising young players who would be under team control by the time they hoped the competitive windown would open again (2028).

Of course that means that in the short-term they have a greater talent deficit, more severe at some places rather than others on the roster. As we have seen fielding a credibly competitive starting rotation is one of the most challenging part of roster construction. So, it makes sense that is the first and biggest priority. It's one thing to put a mediocre OF on the field, but if you simply do not have enough arms to pitch at the major league level and enough arms in the minors to gear up for the next competitive field, you are in serious trouble.

Bad hitting can kill a rally or cut short an inning, but bad pitching lead to a disaster of an inning and can lead to dramatic overuse of the BP. In other words, bad pitching can make games a disaster, wreck your roster and harm arms on the roster. Bad hitting doesn't have that dramatic downside. It just means your club will struggle to score and that your offense will be boring.

I fully expect by 2028:
1) Hitting talent in the minors to bubble up.
2) Bloom to have make moves, some earlier.

such that the hitting will improve to respectable by 2028 and may be significantly better next year.

But, really he just traded away 2 strong hitters and a strong pitcher and a respectable but fading third baseman on a team that has been miserable for three years running. Are you expecting that anything he does to firm up the OF offense is going to improve the team appreciably. Do you really expect much this season? I don't. What I'd like to see is Walker/Gorman to let us know once and for all if they have the moxy to be at least serviceable major leaguers. I expect Nootbaar if he is always going to be meh or if he's going to stay healthy and a solid offensive force. I expect Scott to show if he can hit enough to justify his arm and legs in CF.

I expect to see if Liberatore is for real and to see if there are hidden gems in the young pitching in the majors.

I expect beter progress with our players in our farm system.

--

In other words, I expect them to get a better idea of what they need, for our young players to progress and for them to not give up on the field. It is more important I come away in the next year or two with
1) Hope for the midterm starting in about 2028.
2) A sense that they the a) clubhouse has a better chemistry/vibe to it.

I know the team won't be that great in 2026, so I'm not going to get all bent out of shape if Bloom hasn't turned around or upgraded every position on the roster.
I am in 100% agreement with you, hence the blue font!
I gotta. :mrgreen: but some people are freaking out. Lets breakout in year 3 of the rebuild, 2028, and it is going poorly. Not the front end of it.
Come on folks! Where is your outrage? :D

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 08 Feb 2026 03:52 am
by Ronnie Dobbs
Mort Gage wrote: 07 Feb 2026 18:10 pm He's only seventeen......
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Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 08 Feb 2026 04:58 am
by Mort Gage
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 08 Feb 2026 03:52 am
Mort Gage wrote: 07 Feb 2026 18:10 pm He's only seventeen......
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Thank you. Rock and roll's whitest teeth.

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 08 Feb 2026 08:16 am
by BleedingBleu
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 13:01 pm Oh no, not a right-handed OF who can play NOW!
LoL, we don’t know that he can’t…

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 08 Feb 2026 08:35 am
by BleedingBleu
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:30 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 07 Feb 2026 17:09 pm
ramfandan wrote: 07 Feb 2026 12:55 pm More high velo upside..Bloom’s philosophy continues
That's everybody's philosophy these days.
It just seems like a new idea to cards fans because mo was so far behind the times and out of touch
Mo was probably the OG. Just look at those early 2010’s Bullpen Options…

Motte (converted Catcher)
Rosenthal (converted SS)
Kevin Siegrist
Mitchell Boggs (converted SP)
Eduardo Sanchez
Joe Kelly
Maikel Cleto (couldn’t hit a backstop, but when he did, it didn’t stay on the field)

All those guys were absolute flame throwers with backend roles before Helsley & Hicks.

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 08 Feb 2026 08:35 am
by HorseTrader
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 13:01 pm Oh no, not a right-handed OF who can play NOW!
Once he reach the MLB they will convert him to the OF

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 08 Feb 2026 09:04 am
by WeeVikes
BleedingBleu wrote: 08 Feb 2026 08:16 am
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 13:01 pm Oh no, not a right-handed OF who can play NOW!
LoL, we don’t know that he can’t…
You know, you’ve absolutely got me there! :wink:

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 08 Feb 2026 09:05 am
by WeeVikes
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Feb 2026 08:35 am
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 13:01 pm Oh no, not a right-handed OF who can play NOW!
Once he reach the MLB they will convert him to the OF
Should we preemptively give him the nickname “Rick”? :wink:

Re: Cards sign 17 year old pitcher

Posted: 08 Feb 2026 12:12 pm
by HorseTrader
WeeVikes wrote: 08 Feb 2026 09:05 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Feb 2026 08:35 am
WeeVikes wrote: 07 Feb 2026 13:01 pm Oh no, not a right-handed OF who can play NOW!
Once he reach the MLB they will convert him to the OF
Should we preemptively give him the nickname “Rick”? :wink:
Only after CT elects him to the hall of fame