StL outspent Brewers by $400m?

[Ozziesfan41]

Both teams have exactly the same to show for the money spent over that time.

When the Cards do what the Brewers do and have a solid regular season and bust out in the playoffs, nobody is happy. Why does everyone want the Cardinals to be the Brewers? They haven't won anything. Haven't even come close.

Yea why would the cardinals want to develop impact major league players and being well run at bringing in talent that lead to the brewers going to the post season 7 of the last 8 seasons winning the division three seasons in a row and 5 of the last 8 seasons just horrible fate that would be. Imagine what the brewers guardians and rays could do if they had the payroll the cardinals had had with their player development system. And only idiots who haven’t paid attention to what’s going on with the cardinals think that the cardinals aren’t going to ever spend again and are adopting a complete small market model

No thanks to being the "new" Brewers. Regular season success with zero post season success doesn't interest me. Many on this board bash the 2019 Cards for being swept in the NLCS. Well, that was the apex of the Brewers success in the past 7 years of their "dynasty". No thanks.

You have zero chance of winning in the post season if you dont make it to the post season. Give me the Brewers yearly consistency any time. They are at least somewhat of an attractive destination for free agents.

I dont expect, nor need a world series every year. Just get to the playoffs and give me glimmer of hope for a W S.

What’s funny is most of the one’s saying don’t develop young talent like the brewers guardians and rays because they havent won the World Series are the same ones who say the cardinals shouldn’t have traded gray and Contreras and arenado and made a signing or two and they may have made the post season and once you make the post season you can get hot and anything can happen. They take completely different stances on the same subject just so they can complain

[rockondlouie]

Cardinals Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

12

Brewers Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

2


And with the drain of pitching (Hader-Burnes-Peralta------next Woodruff?) the Brewers are about to hit another downturn.

[Ozziesfan41]

Cardinals Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

12

Brewers Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

2


And with the drain of pitching (Hader-Burnes-Peralta------next Woodruff?) the Brewers are about to hit another downturn.

Isn’t that what people said when they traded hader and said it when they traded Williams and said it when they traded burnes? The only thing consistent is people saying every year the brewers are done. I guess if they say it every offseason eventually they may be right

[rockondlouie]

Cardinals Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

12

Brewers Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

2


And with the drain of pitching (Hader-Burnes-Peralta------next Woodruff?) the Brewers are about to hit another downturn.

Isn’t that what people said when they traded hader and said it when they traded Williams and said it when they traded burnes? The only thing consistent is people saying every year the brewers are done. I guess if they say it every offseason eventually they may be right

Look at that drain of starting pitching (Burnes-Peralta----likely Woodruff after this season), they aren't going to replace that kind of talent.

They'll be lucky if they develop one who's at their level.

Toss in the two great closers (Hader--Williams) and I don't see them remaining a playoff team much longer.

Like I showed above things run in cycles (unless your owner is willing to spend $200-300M) and the Cardinals had a much, much longer and way more successful (2 WS titles/4 NL Pennants -vs- none for the Brewers) run than the Brewers current little stretch.

Not sticking a fork in them yet, but its getting close.

[Ozziesfan41]

Cardinals Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

12

Brewers Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

2


And with the drain of pitching (Hader-Burnes-Peralta------next Woodruff?) the Brewers are about to hit another downturn.

Isn’t that what people said when they traded hader and said it when they traded Williams and said it when they traded burnes? The only thing consistent is people saying every year the brewers are done. I guess if they say it every offseason eventually they may be right

Look at that drain of starting pitching (Burnes-Peralta----likely Woodruff after this season), they aren't going to replace that kind of talent.

They'll be lucky if they develop one who's at their level.

Toss in the two great closers (Hader--Williams) and I don't see them remaining a playoff team much longer.

Like I showed above things run in cycles (unless your owner is willing to spend $200-300M) and the Cardinals had a much, much longer and way more successful (2 WS titles/4 NL Pennants -vs- none for the Brewers) run than the Brewers current little stretch.

Not sticking a fork in them yet, but its getting close.

True and this may be the year the people who
Say every year they lost this player and lost that player and are done may finally be right like i said if you say it every season eventually you will get it right but im not doubting them until they actually take a down turn

[imetsatchelpaige]

Bizarre thrashing of the Brewers. Jealousy, perhaps.
For the record, Milwaukee has been in the playoffs 7 times since 2017.
The Cardinals have been in 4 times.

St. Louis Cardinals Postseason Results (2017–2024)
2025: Did not qualify
2024: Lost NL Wild Card Series (vs. Padres)
2023: Did not qualify
2022: Lost NL Wild Card Series (0-2 vs. Phillies)
2021: Lost NL Wild Card Game (0-1 vs. Dodgers)
2020: Lost NL Wild Card Series (1-2 vs. Padres)
2019: Lost NL Championship Series (0-4 vs. Nationals)
2018: Did not qualify
2017: Did not qualify
Key, recent, in-depth, and relevant information:
2019 Run: The Cardinals defeated the Atlanta Braves in the NLDS (3-2) before falling to the Washington Nationals in the NLCS.
Recent Struggles: The team has been eliminated in the first round for three consecutive appearances (2020, 2021, 2022).
Missing the Cut: The Cardinals missed the playoffs in 2017 and 2018, marking a rare two-year drought at the time.

[cardinalsfever44]

Both teams have exactly the same to show for the money spent over that time.

When the Cards do what the Brewers do and have a solid regular season and bust out in the playoffs, nobody is happy. Why does everyone want the Cardinals to be the Brewers? They haven't won anything. Haven't even come close.

Yea why would the cardinals want to develop impact major league players and being well run at bringing in talent that lead to the brewers going to the post season 7 of the last 8 seasons winning the division three seasons in a row and 5 of the last 8 seasons just horrible fate that would be. Imagine what the brewers guardians and rays could do if they had the payroll the cardinals had had with their player development system. And only idiots who haven’t paid attention to what’s going on with the cardinals think that the cardinals aren’t going to ever spend again and are adopting a complete small market model

No thanks to being the "new" Brewers. Regular season success with zero post season success doesn't interest me. Many on this board bash the 2019 Cards for being swept in the NLCS. Well, that was the apex of the Brewers success in the past 7 years of their "dynasty". No thanks.

Wow!

That embarrassing 2019 sweep in the NLCS was the apex of the Cardinals’ success in the past 11 years of our “dynasty”.

And by your second sentence I guess you prefer the Cardinals plan (up till now at least) of mostly (6 of past 10) regular-season failure with no postseason at all.

I don't prefer the model of the last few years. I prefer the model where we can make noise in the postseason once we get there. How will history remember the amazing Brewers dynasty of 2019-2025? Movies will be made I'm sure.

[Ozziesfan41]

Bizarre thrashing of the Brewers. Jealousy, perhaps.
For the record, Milwaukee has been in the playoffs 7 times since 2017.
The Cardinals have been in 4 times.

St. Louis Cardinals Postseason Results (2017–2024)
2025: Did not qualify
2024: Lost NL Wild Card Series (vs. Padres)
2023: Did not qualify
2022: Lost NL Wild Card Series (0-2 vs. Phillies)
2021: Lost NL Wild Card Game (0-1 vs. Dodgers)
2020: Lost NL Wild Card Series (1-2 vs. Padres)
2019: Lost NL Championship Series (0-4 vs. Nationals)
2018: Did not qualify
2017: Did not qualify
Key, recent, in-depth, and relevant information:
2019 Run: The Cardinals defeated the Atlanta Braves in the NLDS (3-2) before falling to the Washington Nationals in the NLCS.
Recent Struggles: The team has been eliminated in the first round for three consecutive appearances (2020, 2021, 2022).
Missing the Cut: The Cardinals missed the playoffs in 2017 and 2018, marking a rare two-year drought at the time.

Cardinals didn’t make the post season in 2024

[cardinalsfever44]

Both teams have exactly the same to show for the money spent over that time.

When the Cards do what the Brewers do and have a solid regular season and bust out in the playoffs, nobody is happy. Why does everyone want the Cardinals to be the Brewers? They haven't won anything. Haven't even come close.

Yea why would the cardinals want to develop impact major league players and being well run at bringing in talent that lead to the brewers going to the post season 7 of the last 8 seasons winning the division three seasons in a row and 5 of the last 8 seasons just horrible fate that would be. Imagine what the brewers guardians and rays could do if they had the payroll the cardinals had had with their player development system. And only idiots who haven’t paid attention to what’s going on with the cardinals think that the cardinals aren’t going to ever spend again and are adopting a complete small market model

No thanks to being the "new" Brewers. Regular season success with zero post season success doesn't interest me. Many on this board bash the 2019 Cards for being swept in the NLCS. Well, that was the apex of the Brewers success in the past 7 years of their "dynasty". No thanks.

You have zero chance of winning in the post season if you dont make it to the post season. Give me the Brewers yearly consistency any time. They are at least somewhat of an attractive destination for free agents.

I dont expect, nor need a world series every year. Just get to the playoffs and give me glimmer of hope for a W S.

What’s funny is most of the one’s saying don’t develop young talent like the brewers guardians and rays because they havent won the World Series are the same ones who say the cardinals shouldn’t have traded gray and Contreras and arenado and made a signing or two and they may have made the post season and once you make the post season you can get hot and anything can happen. They take completely different stances on the same subject just so they can complain

I'm not saying don't develop talent like the Brewers and I'm happy we traded away Gray, Arenado, and Contreras. The problem with the Brewers model is they don't have any "star" players. Those are the guys you can lean on during the postseason. They are built for the regular season and then wilt in the postseason.

The Cards need to build up the farm system and then once we have a solid core of youngsters at the MLB level, supplement by trading from our farm to get your star players or go big in an offseason and bring that guy in.

[rockondlouie]

Cardinals Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

12

Brewers Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

2


And with the drain of pitching (Hader-Burnes-Peralta------next Woodruff?) the Brewers are about to hit another downturn.

Isn’t that what people said when they traded hader and said it when they traded Williams and said it when they traded burnes? The only thing consistent is people saying every year the brewers are done. I guess if they say it every offseason eventually they may be right

Look at that drain of starting pitching (Burnes-Peralta----likely Woodruff after this season), they aren't going to replace that kind of talent.

They'll be lucky if they develop one who's at their level.

Toss in the two great closers (Hader--Williams) and I don't see them remaining a playoff team much longer.

Like I showed above things run in cycles (unless your owner is willing to spend $200-300M) and the Cardinals had a much, much longer and way more successful (2 WS titles/4 NL Pennants -vs- none for the Brewers) run than the Brewers current little stretch.

Not sticking a fork in them yet, but its getting close.

True and this may be the year the people who
Say every year they lost this player and lost that player and are done may finally be right like i said if you say it every season eventually you will get it right but im not doubting them until they actually take a down turn

I know some may have been saying that Ozzie, this is my first time...........they just can't lose that much pitching talent and stay a playoff team.

[CCard]

Since 2017. Read it and weep.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1HjwgS ... tid=wwXIfr

We'll having Pallante, Mikolas and that other stiff would explain a lot of it. Add to that they really missed on Carlson and played cast offs whenever they could. And the Brewers traded for players that hit really good for a while and then themselves were traded. No doubt the Brewers were the top of the division with their pitching and only needed some tweaks to maintain it. The Cards went down the road of suspect pitching which has kept them from the playoffs for a while now.

[ramfandan]

Cardinals Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

12

Brewers Playoff Appearances from 2000 - 2017

2


And with the drain of pitching (Hader-Burnes-Peralta------next Woodruff?) the Brewers are about to hit another downturn.

Isn’t that what people said when they traded hader and said it when they traded Williams and said it when they traded burnes? The only thing consistent is people saying every year the brewers are done. I guess if they say it every offseason eventually they may be right

And it wasn't only pitching they lost , they also could not extend SS Willy Adames who was their top HR hitter. He blasted 34 HR's two years ago and the 'experts' said Their offense was not too good and now with Adames gone they are really cooked. Dang it, if they didn't walk away with their division again without him.

[smilinjoefission]

ALOT of that money was wasted, not spent, just flat out throw away. Now that Mo is gone that type of idiot spending is hopefully gone

[hugeCardfan]

Both teams have exactly the same to show for the money spent over that time.

When the Cards do what the Brewers do and have a solid regular season and bust out in the playoffs, nobody is happy. Why does everyone want the Cardinals to be the Brewers? They haven't won anything. Haven't even come close.

Yea why would the cardinals want to develop impact major league players and being well run at bringing in talent that lead to the brewers going to the post season 7 of the last 8 seasons winning the division three seasons in a row and 5 of the last 8 seasons just horrible fate that would be. Imagine what the brewers guardians and rays could do if they had the payroll the cardinals had had with their player development system. And only idiots who haven’t paid attention to what’s going on with the cardinals think that the cardinals aren’t going to ever spend again and are adopting a complete small market model

Point taken. But, remember when they lost to the Phillies in '22. The pitching was on a par with the Phillies in the postseason. But, we had the #1 and #3 MVP position players in the NL and they couldn't get the job done. All season long they produced and we had a better record than the Phillies. You cannot know how your impact players will perform in a series long effort regardless how well they've played all season. That wasn't on the FO, the POBO or the owner; it was on 2 players who choked....and the others who didn't step up to let them off the hook.

[Ozziesfan41]

Both teams have exactly the same to show for the money spent over that time.

When the Cards do what the Brewers do and have a solid regular season and bust out in the playoffs, nobody is happy. Why does everyone want the Cardinals to be the Brewers? They haven't won anything. Haven't even come close.

Yea why would the cardinals want to develop impact major league players and being well run at bringing in talent that lead to the brewers going to the post season 7 of the last 8 seasons winning the division three seasons in a row and 5 of the last 8 seasons just horrible fate that would be. Imagine what the brewers guardians and rays could do if they had the payroll the cardinals had had with their player development system. And only idiots who haven’t paid attention to what’s going on with the cardinals think that the cardinals aren’t going to ever spend again and are adopting a complete small market model

Point taken. But, remember when they lost to the Phillies in '22. The pitching was on a par with the Phillies in the postseason. But, we had the #1 and #3 MVP position players in the NL and they couldn't get the job done. All season long they produced and we had a better record than the Phillies. You cannot know how your impact players will perform in a series long effort regardless how well they've played all season. That wasn't on the FO, the POBO or the owner; it was on 2 players who choked....and the others who didn't step up to let them off the hook.

That’s a fair take I’ll agree with you you bring up a good point. but arenado and goldy while they were mvp caliber players weren’t really the guys like pujols they weren’t leaders they didn’t want to be the guys. And they flourished when Yadi and pujols were the guys leading the team when they left they cratered and wanted the cardinals to bring in the ghost of Matt carpenter to lead the team. But I disagree with the pobo and owner don’t know what is going on. For several years mo and Dewitt knew the cardinals had fantastic at times historically good starting pitching and completely neglected the middle of the line up trying to
Shoe horn adams grichuk and carpenter into the middle of the line up cost the cardinals a lot of potential success. Then they bring in ozuna and goldy then arenado and neglect the rotation the Cardinals blew a lot of potential championships by never trying to complete a team. But 2022 was the result of an incompetent manager oli was just horrible as soon as
The paint by numbers managing failed and the incompetent manger is a result of mo

[mattmitchl44]

Both teams have exactly the same to show for the money spent over that time.

When the Cards do what the Brewers do and have a solid regular season and bust out in the playoffs, nobody is happy. Why does everyone want the Cardinals to be the Brewers? They haven't won anything. Haven't even come close.

Yea why would the cardinals want to develop impact major league players and being well run at bringing in talent that lead to the brewers going to the post season 7 of the last 8 seasons winning the division three seasons in a row and 5 of the last 8 seasons just horrible fate that would be. Imagine what the brewers guardians and rays could do if they had the payroll the cardinals had had with their player development system. And only idiots who haven’t paid attention to what’s going on with the cardinals think that the cardinals aren’t going to ever spend again and are adopting a complete small market model

No thanks to being the "new" Brewers. Regular season success with zero post season success doesn't interest me. Many on this board bash the 2019 Cards for being swept in the NLCS. Well, that was the apex of the Brewers success in the past 7 years of their "dynasty". No thanks.

You have zero chance of winning in the post season if you dont make it to the post season. Give me the Brewers yearly consistency any time. They are at least somewhat of an attractive destination for free agents.

I dont expect, nor need a world series every year. Just get to the playoffs and give me glimmer of hope for a W S.

What’s funny is most of the one’s saying don’t develop young talent like the brewers guardians and rays because they havent won the World Series are the same ones who say the cardinals shouldn’t have traded gray and Contreras and arenado and made a signing or two and they may have made the post season and once you make the post season you can get hot and anything can happen. They take completely different stances on the same subject just so they can complain

I'm not saying don't develop talent like the Brewers and I'm happy we traded away Gray, Arenado, and Contreras. The problem with the Brewers model is they don't have any "star" players. Those are the guys you can lean on during the postseason. They are built for the regular season and then wilt in the postseason.

The Cards need to build up the farm system and then once we have a solid core of youngsters at the MLB level, supplement by trading from our farm to get your star players or go big in an offseason and bring that guy in.

No has said differently.

Yes - AFTER they establish a critical mass of young, cost controlled talent (and a player development system to keep delivering such talent to St. Louis on an annual basis) they almost certainly will need to increase spending on the ML payroll to bring in players from outside the organization (by signing or trade) to "win now" in 2028, 2029, etc.