Why not Gorman at first.

[Cusecards]

Any of the above mentioned players could be dealt if the return is right.
I could see them preferring to deal Gorman ahead of Burleson but if Burly nets you a return that benefits the team you pull the trigger.

Thanx. Nice input. I wonder who has more trade value between the two. And yes, I see a Gorman as a trade. Why then has he left?

Welcome!
I would think that Burleson has the higher trade value for sure?
While I’m not giving up on Gorman I admit that I think 2026 could be make or break for him.
He really only has one “tool” which of course is raw power.
If he can learn to make contact consistently I think his fielding would be passable.
I think Burleson catches a bit too much grief LOL.
Probably because certain posters over promote him daily.
He’s a good solid player and an asset. And if he continues to improve at the plate could be a valuable core player moving forward?
Not his fault that has been slotted to hit #3 or #4.
Probably should be hitting 5th or 6th?

[sikeston bulldog2]

Gorman has no trade value. He's a throw-in piece at this point. Back-to-back seasons of around 85 wRC+...he's nearly impossible to move, unless you offload him for equipment...or as I said previously, a "throw-in" to a larger trade.

More value, and probably easier to move Burleson. A 1B with only 2 WAR cap to him...not a future cornerstone for a rebuilding team. I'm all for asset acquisition....move Burleson...or the severe diminishing return starts now.

Good input. What would a Burleson bring. Dies Gorman pass as a first baseman.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Any of the above mentioned players could be dealt if the return is right.
I could see them preferring to deal Gorman ahead of Burleson but if Burly nets you a return that benefits the team you pull the trigger.

Thanx. Nice input. I wonder who has more trade value between the two. And yes, I see a Gorman as a trade. Why then has he left?

Welcome!
I would think that Burleson has the higher trade value for sure?
While I’m not giving up on Gorman I admit that I think 2026 could be make or break for him.
He really only has one “tool” which of course is raw power.
If he can learn to make contact consistently I think his fielding would be passable.
I think Burleson catches a bit too much grief LOL.
Probably because certain posters over promote him daily.
He’s a good solid player and an asset. And if he continues to improve at the plate could be a valuable core player moving forward?
Not his fault that has been slotted to hit #3 or #4.
Probably should be hitting 5th or 6th?

Welcome at ya. Yea your read is accurate. As earlier noted, he doesn’t hit FA till 2029.

[craviduce]

Gorman has no trade value. He's a throw-in piece at this point. Back-to-back seasons of around 85 wRC+...he's nearly impossible to move, unless you offload him for equipment...or as I said previously, a "throw-in" to a larger trade.

More value, and probably easier to move Burleson. A 1B with only 2 WAR cap to him...not a future cornerstone for a rebuilding team. I'm all for asset acquisition....move Burleson...or the severe diminishing return starts now.

Good input. What would a Burleson bring. Dies Gorman pass as a first baseman.

Gorman would be as good defensively at 1B as Burleson...both would be below average. Gorman would do better on range and dives on the 1B line and off the 1B line...he has the infield pedigree. Neither would improve 3B,SS, 2B throws in the dirt...not like Contreras and Goldy did.

So, imo, Defensive between the two...isn't relevant....slight nod to Gorman on fielding his position.

Burleson has around a 20-25 trade value? That's your package range. He offers very good contact rate, and 3 years of control (26-28)....that's about it.

You rarely get equal value in a trade....limited positives on Burleson, but they're high positives...he could get you 1 really good prospect...or a middling one....depends on the market....are teams falling over backwards for a 2 WAR 1B? It's the easiest position to fill....if he were a 5 WAR 1B with years of control, he'd bring back a haul....but he's not.

And that 2 WAR is his peak...the control lessens each year....and 1B is the worst position to acquire WAR from, you start in the negative.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Gorman has no trade value. He's a throw-in piece at this point. Back-to-back seasons of around 85 wRC+...he's nearly impossible to move, unless you offload him for equipment...or as I said previously, a "throw-in" to a larger trade.

More value, and probably easier to move Burleson. A 1B with only 2 WAR cap to him...not a future cornerstone for a rebuilding team. I'm all for asset acquisition....move Burleson...or the severe diminishing return starts now.

Good input. What would a Burleson bring. Dies Gorman pass as a first baseman.

Gorman would be as good defensively at 1B as Burleson...both would be below average. Gorman would do better on range and dives on the 1B line and off the 1B line...he has the infield pedigree. Neither would improve 3B,SS, 2B throws in the dirt...not like Contreras and Goldy did.

So, imo, Defensive between the two...isn't relevant....slight nod to Gorman on fielding his position.

Burleson has around a 20-25 trade value? That's your package range. He offers very good contact rate, and 3 years of control (26-28)....that's about it.

You rarely get equal value in a trade....limited positives on Burleson, but they're high positives...he could get you 1 really good prospect...or a middling one....depends on the market....are teams falling over backwards for a 2 WAR 1B? It's the easiest position to fill....if he were a 5 WAR 1B with years of control, he'd bring back a haul....but he's not.

And that 2 WAR is his peak...the control lessens each year....and 1B is the worst position to acquire WAR from, you start in the negative.

Superb. The board thanx you.

[Shady]

Gorman has no trade value. He's a throw-in piece at this point. Back-to-back seasons of around 85 wRC+...he's nearly impossible to move, unless you offload him for equipment...or as I said previously, a "throw-in" to a larger trade.

More value, and probably easier to move Burleson. A 1B with only 2 WAR cap to him...not a future cornerstone for a rebuilding team. I'm all for asset acquisition....move Burleson...or the severe diminishing return starts now.

Good input. What would a Burleson bring. Dies Gorman pass as a first baseman.

Gorman would be as good defensively at 1B as Burleson...both would be below average. Gorman would do better on range and dives on the 1B line and off the 1B line...he has the infield pedigree. Neither would improve 3B,SS, 2B throws in the dirt...not like Contreras and Goldy did.

So, imo, Defensive between the two...isn't relevant....slight nod to Gorman on fielding his position.

Burleson has around a 20-25 trade value? That's your package range. He offers very good contact rate, and 3 years of control (26-28)....that's about it.

You rarely get equal value in a trade....limited positives on Burleson, but they're high positives...he could get you 1 really good prospect...or a middling one....depends on the market....are teams falling over backwards for a 2 WAR 1B? It's the easiest position to fill....if he were a 5 WAR 1B with years of control, he'd bring back a haul....but he's not.

And that 2 WAR is his peak...the control lessens each year....and 1B is the worst position to acquire WAR from, you start in the negative.

For the third straight season, Burleson will make many of your biased opinions of him look foolish. Ex. Burleson does a fine job at 1B fielding throws in the dirt. Where you really mess up is underestemating his hitting ability. You seem to feel Burleson has peaked. That's ridiculous at 27. Another thing, Burleson seems to be very popular with his team mates. He'll be one of the team leaders for the next few seasons.

[HorseTrader]

Good morning.

It’s cold out. 26 here.

Just for complete fun. And boredom.

Move Gorman to first. He is an infielder. He can catch. He can throw. He works at fielding. By playing many games at second, same look from same side of field. Hit 25 home runs.

Trade Burleson. Get a reasonable get.

move JJ to third. Gives you a possible 25 home runs each on the corners with decent defense.

Winn Scott and Fermin? Up the middle.

Just for fun.

Man you are going to get on Shady's sh$t list talking about his favorite ....

This is a good year to try things. So your idea is trade Burly and keep Donovan? Or trade both of them? Personally I like the idea of JJ at 2nd for the strong defense but I'm not opposed to giving Fermin some time there.

By the way, north Ohio 16 with a minus 2 windchill. That's our heat wave. Our high for the next 5-7 days won't top 20 degrees. Got a cousin in south Lousiana don't think they are enjoying the cool weather down there

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

It’s cold out. 26 here.

Just for complete fun. And boredom.

Move Gorman to first. He is an infielder. He can catch. He can throw. He works at fielding. By playing many games at second, same look from same side of field. Hit 25 home runs.

Trade Burleson. Get a reasonable get.

move JJ to third. Gives you a possible 25 home runs each on the corners with decent defense.

Winn Scott and Fermin? Up the middle.

Just for fun.

Man you are going to get on Shady's sh$t list talking about his favorite ....

This is a good year to try things. So your idea is trade Burly and keep Donovan? Or trade both of them? Personally I like the idea of JJ at 2nd for the strong defense but I'm not opposed to giving Fermin some time there.

By the way, north Ohio 16 with a minus 2 windchill. That's our heat wave. Our high for the next 5-7 days won't top 20 degrees. Got a cousin in south Lousiana don't think they are enjoying the cool weather down there

Yea if I recall you’re near lake effect country. Not that I want to trade Burleson. That’s not it. But I thought if they keep Gorman, then maybe we get power at first if he hits, and then with JJ power st third, thus filling two power holes.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Gorman has no trade value. He's a throw-in piece at this point. Back-to-back seasons of around 85 wRC+...he's nearly impossible to move, unless you offload him for equipment...or as I said previously, a "throw-in" to a larger trade.

More value, and probably easier to move Burleson. A 1B with only 2 WAR cap to him...not a future cornerstone for a rebuilding team. I'm all for asset acquisition....move Burleson...or the severe diminishing return starts now.

Good input. What would a Burleson bring. Dies Gorman pass as a first baseman.

Gorman would be as good defensively at 1B as Burleson...both would be below average. Gorman would do better on range and dives on the 1B line and off the 1B line...he has the infield pedigree. Neither would improve 3B,SS, 2B throws in the dirt...not like Contreras and Goldy did.

So, imo, Defensive between the two...isn't relevant....slight nod to Gorman on fielding his position.

Burleson has around a 20-25 trade value? That's your package range. He offers very good contact rate, and 3 years of control (26-28)....that's about it.

You rarely get equal value in a trade....limited positives on Burleson, but they're high positives...he could get you 1 really good prospect...or a middling one....depends on the market....are teams falling over backwards for a 2 WAR 1B? It's the easiest position to fill....if he were a 5 WAR 1B with years of control, he'd bring back a haul....but he's not.

And that 2 WAR is his peak...the control lessens each year....and 1B is the worst position to acquire WAR from, you start in the negative.

For the third straight season, Burleson will make many of your biased opinions of him look foolish. Ex. Burleson does a fine job at 1B fielding throws in the dirt. Where you really mess up is underestemating his hitting ability. You seem to feel Burleson has peaked. That's ridiculous at 27. Another thing, Burleson seems to be very popular with his team mates. He'll be one of the team leaders for the next few seasons.

You're probably right. The Mets will love him!

[Carp4Cy]

Good morning.

It’s cold out. 26 here.

Just for complete fun. And boredom.

Move Gorman to first. He is an infielder. He can catch. He can throw. He works at fielding. By playing many games at second, same look from same side of field. Hit 25 home runs.

Trade Burleson. Get a reasonable get.

move JJ to third. Gives you a possible 25 home runs each on the corners with decent defense.

Winn Scott and Fermin? Up the middle.

Just for fun.

Fermin is not a starter. He will be 27 before the season starts and he has 1 career HR.

I mean if we here actually good and about 1 year older like Donovan we would be trying to trade him away for prospects before he left in FA.

[Carp4Cy]

Gorman has no trade value. He's a throw-in piece at this point. Back-to-back seasons of around 85 wRC+...he's nearly impossible to move, unless you offload him for equipment...or as I said previously, a "throw-in" to a larger trade.

More value, and probably easier to move Burleson. A 1B with only 2 WAR cap to him...not a future cornerstone for a rebuilding team. I'm all for asset acquisition....move Burleson...or the severe diminishing return starts now.

Good input. What would a Burleson bring. Dies Gorman pass as a first baseman.

Gorman would be as good defensively at 1B as Burleson...both would be below average. Gorman would do better on range and dives on the 1B line and off the 1B line...he has the infield pedigree. Neither would improve 3B,SS, 2B throws in the dirt...not like Contreras and Goldy did.

So, imo, Defensive between the two...isn't relevant....slight nod to Gorman on fielding his position.

Burleson has around a 20-25 trade value? That's your package range. He offers very good contact rate, and 3 years of control (26-28)....that's about it.

You rarely get equal value in a trade....limited positives on Burleson, but they're high positives...he could get you 1 really good prospect...or a middling one....depends on the market....are teams falling over backwards for a 2 WAR 1B? It's the easiest position to fill....if he were a 5 WAR 1B with years of control, he'd bring back a haul....but he's not.

And that 2 WAR is his peak...the control lessens each year....and 1B is the worst position to acquire WAR from, you start in the negative.

For the third straight season, Burleson will make many of your biased opinions of him look foolish. Ex. Burleson does a fine job at 1B fielding throws in the dirt. Where you really mess up is underestemating his hitting ability. You seem to feel Burleson has peaked. That's ridiculous at 27. Another thing, Burleson seems to be very popular with his team mates. He'll be one of the team leaders for the next few seasons.

Leading this team is an extremely low bar.

And that's only because we've let our last 2 HR leaders from 24/25 go in Goldy and Contreras

[rockondlouie]

Not sure the return for Bumbles in a stand alone deal would outweigh his low cost value to the Cardinals.

I'd have no issue dealing him but it might be better to package him (w/JoJo or a catcher?) to maximize the return.

[HOUCARD]

If Gorman figures out how to hit and not strike out 35% of the time, they will find a place for him to play.

[redbirdfan51]

Not opposed to playing Gorman at1B, but do you put Burleson in the OF?

[Carp4Cy]

If Gorman figures out how to hit and not strike out 35% of the time, they will find a place for him to play.

If that's even possible it would require a hitting coach and manager that aren't Oli or his minions.

[craviduce]

Gorman has no trade value. He's a throw-in piece at this point. Back-to-back seasons of around 85 wRC+...he's nearly impossible to move, unless you offload him for equipment...or as I said previously, a "throw-in" to a larger trade.

More value, and probably easier to move Burleson. A 1B with only 2 WAR cap to him...not a future cornerstone for a rebuilding team. I'm all for asset acquisition....move Burleson...or the severe diminishing return starts now.

Good input. What would a Burleson bring. Dies Gorman pass as a first baseman.

Gorman would be as good defensively at 1B as Burleson...both would be below average. Gorman would do better on range and dives on the 1B line and off the 1B line...he has the infield pedigree. Neither would improve 3B,SS, 2B throws in the dirt...not like Contreras and Goldy did.

So, imo, Defensive between the two...isn't relevant....slight nod to Gorman on fielding his position.

Burleson has around a 20-25 trade value? That's your package range. He offers very good contact rate, and 3 years of control (26-28)....that's about it.

You rarely get equal value in a trade....limited positives on Burleson, but they're high positives...he could get you 1 really good prospect...or a middling one....depends on the market....are teams falling over backwards for a 2 WAR 1B? It's the easiest position to fill....if he were a 5 WAR 1B with years of control, he'd bring back a haul....but he's not.

And that 2 WAR is his peak...the control lessens each year....and 1B is the worst position to acquire WAR from, you start in the negative.

For the third straight season, Burleson will make many of your biased opinions of him look foolish. Ex. Burleson does a fine job at 1B fielding throws in the dirt. Where you really mess up is underestemating his hitting ability. You seem to feel Burleson has peaked. That's ridiculous at 27. Another thing, Burleson seems to be very popular with his team mates. He'll be one of the team leaders for the next few seasons.

You're upset over my answering Sikes' OP? Get over yourself.

And I didn't underestimate his hitting ability....I believe I said it was a high positive, and very good contact rate....I bolded/highlighted these for you. Maybe you should remove emotion, and reread what I wrote. From a business stand point...trading Burleson and Donovan now makes the most sense. You can't get around that.

Also...the stats say that Burleson is a below average 1B. The stats say/said that he was worse than Contreras (a good receiver at 1B). Stats don't lie. So....I stand by what I believe....he and Gorman are below average 1B, with Gorman having a slight nod b/c of his infield familiarity....and better range. Declaring him as will be "Fine"...now that's biased, and you have no stats to back you up on that.

Take emotion out of things. See the forest beyond the trees.