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Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 07:04 am
by rbc1
I don't see why this is complicated for some.
It doesn't matter what you think of Oli. This is not a desirable job. If you fire him, they are going to have to bring in either a manager with no track record or either one with a bad track record, and they will lose the same amount of games regardless.
I would actually give Oli a two year extension, that way he isn't making playing time decisions trying to save his job, and he is focus on giving time to they players the cardinals need to see develop.
Then at the end of the contract, and hopefully as the cardinals look more like a young talent team ready to compete. The Manager job for the Cardinals is a higher sought after destination, they can decide if Oli is the guy to compete with or if they need to add someone else
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 07:13 am
by ramfandan
rbc1 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026 07:04 am
I don't see why this is complicated for some.
It doesn't matter what you think of Oli. This is not a desirable job. If you fire him, they are going to have to bring in either a manager with no track record or either one with a bad track record, and they will lose the same amount of games regardless.
I would actually give Oli a two year extension, that way he isn't making playing time decisions trying to save his job, and he is focus on giving time to they players the cardinals need to see develop.
Then at the end of the contract, and hopefully as the cardinals look more like a young talent team ready to compete. The Manager job for the Cardinals is a higher sought after destination, they can decide if Oli is the guy to compete with or if they need to add someone else
Well said ! Good post ! Very few discuss that a 'new' manager is seeking to 'win now' . His best chances of getting more 'W's in the win column is playing more experienced veteran players but the GM is not seeking those on the roster. . So the two would have a clash most likely.
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 07:17 am
by mattmitchl44
The only question about Marmol is whether the Cardinals trust him, along with the other improvements they have presumably made to the player development system, to develop the next core of young talent over the next 2 or 3 years.
Right now it's not about winning, it's about player development.
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 07:31 am
by 45s
HOUCARD wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 22:07 pm
45s wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:50 pm
I am completely neutral on marmol…
but given the krappy rosters he has had, tough to be very critical of him..
I see a lot of similarity to the Cards tank as the Astros tank. Just like Mills and Porter were caretakers of the team until they were ready to compete then fired. Oli will be the same.
agree.....another similarity
the stros went through their..."if we just get this guy, if we just get that guy" period under Drayton....of course it failed
finally Crane gave Luhnow the freedom to blow it up....
I like what bloom is doing.....build the roster, build the organization...the quality manager will follow
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 07:48 am
by 11WSChamps
rbc1 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026 07:04 am
I don't see why this is complicated for some.
It doesn't matter what you think of Oli. This is not a desirable job. If you fire him, they are going to have to bring in either a manager with no track record or either one with a bad track record, and they will lose the same amount of games regardless.
I would actually give Oli a two year extension, that way he isn't making playing time decisions trying to save his job, and he is focus on giving time to they players the cardinals need to see develop.
Then at the end of the contract, and hopefully as the cardinals look more like a young talent team ready to compete. The Manager job for the Cardinals is a higher sought after destination, they can decide if Oli is the guy to compete with or if they need to add someone else
So it wasn't a "desirable" job when Arenado and Goldschmidt were vying for MVP honors and the team was supposedly built to make a run?
You're right some of you guys don't get it.
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 08:30 am
by Goldfan
After the 2025 MLB season, several managers were let go or departed, including Bob Melvin (Giants), Rocco Baldelli (Twins), Bruce Bochy (Rangers, mutual), Ron Washington/Ray Montgomery (Angels), and Brian Snitker (Braves, advisory role), following mid-season dismissals for Bud Black (Rockies) and Dave Martinez (Nationals), with Mike Shildt (Padres) surprisingly retiring, marking a busy managerial carousel for the 2025-26 offseason.
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 08:52 am
by rockondlouie
Oli is a minor league Manager
Better suited developing young players
Way over his head managing major league players.
JMO
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 08:53 am
by Cusecards
Bloom has a lot on his plate in his first season between building the roster and the farm system.
Manager might be down on the list?
And while I think Oli is mediocre it’s not like he will be the difference in 2026 between contending or not.
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 09:07 am
by dugoutrex
GO RAMS!
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 09:38 am
by rbc1
11WSChamps wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026 07:48 am
rbc1 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026 07:04 am
I don't see why this is complicated for some.
It doesn't matter what you think of Oli. This is not a desirable job. If you fire him, they are going to have to bring in either a manager with no track record or either one with a bad track record, and they will lose the same amount of games regardless.
I would actually give Oli a two year extension, that way he isn't making playing time decisions trying to save his job, and he is focus on giving time to they players the cardinals need to see develop.
Then at the end of the contract, and hopefully as the cardinals look more like a young talent team ready to compete. The Manager job for the Cardinals is a higher sought after destination, they can decide if Oli is the guy to compete with or if they need to add someone else
So it wasn't a "desirable" job when Arenado and Goldschmidt were vying for MVP honors and the team was supposedly built to make a run?
You're right some of you guys don't get it.
Sure it was, and I complained then they didn't go after a bigger name, but that was 4 years ago, under a different front office. It has nothing to do with what we are talking about going forward.
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 11:30 am
by govman
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 19:32 pm
jcgmoi wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 18:38 pm
Jesus what a post. Maybe the Steelers will hire Marmol and end your misery.
Bo, Tebow, Deion all played both sports. Several owners have owned teams in multiple sports. Oil certainly won’t be the one to do it, but the gap between sports is not as big as we pretend it is.
don't forget Brian Jordan
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 11:53 am
by Mjkight
Just here long enough to potentially be the fall guy for 2026 and so Dewitt doesn't have to pay his buyout and hire another manager. Dewitt isn't going to spend money until after the lockout. We're just going to have to ride this season out.
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 11:56 am
by JuanAgosto
Oli is cheap and deflects a little blame from DeWitt. A real manager would command more $ and power.
Re: While more successful coaches get fired after winning playoff games, Oli remains
Posted: 20 Jan 2026 13:11 pm
by 11WSChamps
rbc1 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026 09:38 am
11WSChamps wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026 07:48 am
rbc1 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026 07:04 am
I don't see why this is complicated for some.
It doesn't matter what you think of Oli. This is not a desirable job. If you fire him, they are going to have to bring in either a manager with no track record or either one with a bad track record, and they will lose the same amount of games regardless.
I would actually give Oli a two year extension, that way he isn't making playing time decisions trying to save his job, and he is focus on giving time to they players the cardinals need to see develop.
Then at the end of the contract, and hopefully as the cardinals look more like a young talent team ready to compete. The Manager job for the Cardinals is a higher sought after destination, they can decide if Oli is the guy to compete with or if they need to add someone else
So it wasn't a "desirable" job when Arenado and Goldschmidt were vying for MVP honors and the team was supposedly built to make a run?
You're right some of you guys don't get it.
Sure it was, and I complained then they didn't go after a bigger name, but that was 4 years ago, under a different front office. It has nothing to do with what we are talking about going forward.
So just when is the right time to establish a culture of winning and accountability?
Sounds like you're trying to argue both sides.
You don't have to have all the right pieces to establish that foundation of which under this manager we have none.