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Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:27 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:00 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:36 pm
He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though
He said at winter warmup from himself that he is not going to hit for power, that is not his skill set.
Did he define what not hitting for power meant? He hit 15 in 2024 I don’t see why he can’t hit that many again or 15-20 with two good knees.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
by Youboughtit
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:30 pm
by Youboughtit
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:27 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:00 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:36 pm
He hit 15 homruns when he had two good knees in 2024 at age 22. With healthy knees next season I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to hit 15-20 homruns every season when healthy which is pretty good for a gold glove short stop. He does need to learn to steal bases though
He said at winter warmup from himself that he is not going to hit for power, that is not his skill set.
Did he define what not hitting for power meant? He hit 15 in 2024 I don’t see why he can’t hit that many again or 15-20
He may hit 15 and in his peak 20. He didn’t specify. They just said on radio he specifically said he is not a slug/power guy. Not his skillset
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:31 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:36 pm
by Youboughtit
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:31 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024
Renteria nowhere near a HoF or superstar caliber.
Jeter will be the lightest hitting SS to get in from last 25 years.
BA .310
HR 260
RBI 1311
OPS .817
The average of top 5 SS last year were
BA .289
HR 26
RBI 89
OPS .839
To be a future superstar at SS he will need a 5-8 year prime with those type of numbers.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:38 pm
by Youboughtit
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:31 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024
Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:42 pm
by Francis Park Thug
HorseTrader wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:16 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Having players on the AS team and in the HOF is great BUT I'd rather have a winning team. Winn is a winner. Good defense, average or better hitter. The team will win a lot of games with him at SS. I could see the Cards moving him in a couple of year to move JJ back to SS but right now Winn is the right man for the SS position
Please stop with this talk of switching positions.
Leave Winn at short, and JJ at 2nd for next 10 years.
Have continuity up the middle.
That was Mo's problem.
He was always putting round objects in square holes.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:45 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:38 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:31 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024
Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster
It’s really weird your problem with winn is he isn’t a HOF or superstar if that is your measure for a player you must have a problem with 99% of baseball players. He’s a gold glove shortstop who will hit 15-20 horn runs that’s pretty good
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:53 pm
by TheFantasyStud
If Winn can develop into a base threat he has the potential to be the most well rounded SS in the league.
If he peaks at 20 home runs, 30 SBs and a .280 with a gold glove wouldn’t that be considered top 5. I’m sure he could get close to #1 based on WAR.
He’s still 3-5 years away from his prime.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 15:54 pm
by Cusecards
GG caliber SS with a cannon for an arm.
Respectable power.
If he increases his OBP & RISP I could couldn’t care less how many HR’s he hits!
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 16:27 pm
by Youboughtit
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:45 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:38 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:31 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024
Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster
It’s really weird your problem with winn is he isn’t a HOF or superstar if that is your measure for a player you must have a problem with 99% of baseball players. He’s a gold glove shortstop who will hit 15-20 horn runs that’s pretty good
Fine. Don’t sell him as a best player then. Sell him as a role player. Not a face of franchise
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 16:28 pm
by Youboughtit
TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:53 pm
If Winn can develop into a base threat he has the potential to be the most well rounded SS in the league.
If he peaks at 20 home runs, 30 SBs and a .280 with a gold glove wouldn’t that be considered top 5. I’m sure he could get close to #1 based on WAR.
He’s still 3-5 years away from his prime.
Witt does all that plus 20%
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 16:29 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 16:27 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:45 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:38 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:31 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024
Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster
It’s really weird your problem with winn is he isn’t a HOF or superstar if that is your measure for a player you must have a problem with 99% of baseball players. He’s a gold glove shortstop who will hit 15-20 horn runs that’s pretty good
Fine. Don’t sell him as a best player then. Sell him as a role player. Not a face of franchise
Who is selling him as that? As far as I have seen everyone is pretty much selling JJ as the face of the franchise and he hasn’t played a game in the majors yet. All I’ve seen them selling Winn as is a gold glove short stop which he is you’re the one tearing him down because he’s not a HOF player
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 16:31 pm
by Youboughtit
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 16:29 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 16:27 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:45 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:38 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:31 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024
Renteria is not a Superstar. Perineal all star or HOf consideration. He was a VG SS. That’s what Winn is. Same caliber. Not a “best player on team cantidate. Renteria was the 5th best player on the roster
It’s really weird your problem with winn is he isn’t a HOF or superstar if that is your measure for a player you must have a problem with 99% of baseball players. He’s a gold glove shortstop who will hit 15-20 horn runs that’s pretty good
Fine. Don’t sell him as a best player then. Sell him as a role player. Not a face of franchise
Who is selling him as that? As far as I have seen everyone is pretty much selling JJ as the face of the franchise and he hasn’t played a game in the majors yet. All I’ve seen them selling Winn as is a gold glove short stop which he is
A lot of Cards talk selling Winn as that and a superstar. I am just trying to say he is a nice VG role player. This team need 3 elite superstars.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 16:32 pm
by craviduce
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:36 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:31 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:28 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:15 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:02 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:47 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 14:31 pm
As we all know there are 5 tools in baseball. Mason Winn will never be a top 10 SS because of his skill set is backwards. How I see his tools ranked 1-5 vs the superstar SS
Winn
Defense
Arm strength
Run
Hit for average
Hit for power
Top 5 SS tools (Henderson, Witt Jr, Lindor, Cruz, Seager)
Hit for Power
Hit for average
Run
Defense
Arm strength
Furthermore although he is a decent player it only works if there are 3-4 legit power bats to compensate.
The year before Ozzie Smith came over from the Cardinals, he slashed .222.294/.256/.549 with the Padres.
In his 6th year with the Cardinals, he slashed .303/.392/.383/.775. He was an All Star for 15 years and is in the
HOF. The most home runs he ever hit in any one year was 6.
I'm not comparing Masyn with Ozzie, but I'd much rather have a GG shortstop than worrying about OPS. Let's look for
that from the corner infielders and corner outfielders. And be as strong defensively as possible up the middle.
SS was not a power position in the 80s. It is now. To be a potential HOF or all star SS (superstar) it will require 25-30HR.
Baloney.
Give me a example of a light hitting SS since 2000?
Edgar renteria never hit 20 home runs the most he hit was 16 that’s one more than Winn hit in 2024
Renteria nowhere near a HoF or superstar caliber.
Jeter will be the lightest hitting SS to get in from last 25 years.
BA .310
HR 260
RBI 1311
OPS .817
The average of top 5 SS last year were
BA .289
HR 26
RBI 89
OPS .839
To be a future superstar at SS he will need a 5-8 year prime with those type of numbers.
I have Barry Larkin's 198 HR on the line, he'd like a word.
Re: My problem with Mason Winn
Posted: 19 Jan 2026 16:34 pm
by rage-STL
Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 16:28 pm
TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑19 Jan 2026 15:53 pm
If Winn can develop into a base threat he has the potential to be the most well rounded SS in the league.
If he peaks at 20 home runs, 30 SBs and a .280 with a gold glove wouldn’t that be considered top 5. I’m sure he could get close to #1 based on WAR.
He’s still 3-5 years away from his prime.
Witt does all that plus 20%
Witt is one he11 of a ballplayer. He was also the #2 overall pick and Masyn Winn was taken in the 2nd round. I'm excited to see Winn take a step forward this year, think his best is yet to come.