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scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:50 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:46 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:22 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

They won't spend them for Marte either. Arizona wants major league ready pitching. Seattle isn't about to do that.

Evidently the Dbacks are nearly done with trying to trade Marte: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/12/ ... eason.html

If the Mariners are not willing to give up enough talent to obtain Donovan, they sure as hail aren't going to get Marte.

CT overvalues the oft injured/surgeried Hurdy Gurdy

averaged over 500 PA in 4 MLB seasons. You are overstating his injury time off. He is very much coveted by many teams this off season. His return should not be diminished, and if Bloom does not get what he wants, he should keep him.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:22 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

They won't spend them for Marte either. Arizona wants major league ready pitching. Seattle isn't about to do that.

I kind of don’t blame either side. Seattle’s window to make the World Series is now and trading from their major league rotation would make that harder to do.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:49 am

2ninr wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 06:27 am Im the first guy to point out that we over value Donovan. But unless Seattle changes their tune on who they will part with, I'm looking for a different deal. If they really want Donovan, they will blink. He's the best offensive upgrade they can obtain with prospects. They don't have money for the other guys. Unless they decide to stand pat, which i doubt.

Seattle has money. Just frugal. They ponied up for Naylor and still have 3b to address

I think they have 15 mil left to get thru the season. Happy New Year

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:55 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:22 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

They won't spend them for Marte either. Arizona wants major league ready pitching. Seattle isn't about to do that.

I kind of don’t blame either side. Seattle’s window to make the World Series is now and trading from their major league rotation would make that harder to do.

I agree with that. They have a window where they are legit World Series contenders. Their young, quality, cost-controlled rotation is the backbone of that contention. They should keep it. Their window will be adversely affected as these pitchers are now reaching arbitration and becoming more expensive. Some are developing health concerns, some will leave in 2-4 years via free agency. They should use at least some of their prospects to augment their window, unless they think they have enough prospects to seamlessly slide into a new window. The lower acquisition cost makes Donovan a better fit for them than Marte.

Dodgers quietly pursuing Donovan and a Cubs writer thinks Arenado for Matt Shaw is a great idea!!! Get 'er done Bloom!

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

Forget about Marte:

GM Mike Hazen made waves yesterday in that corner of the market, however, when he noted that he plans to put an end to conversations regarding a Marte trade in the near future. Hazen’s suggestion was that the club simply pulling Marte off the table for negotiations was a more likely outcome than a trade coming together at this point.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:29 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

Forget about Marte:

GM Mike Hazen made waves yesterday in that corner of the market, however, when he noted that he plans to put an end to conversations regarding a Marte trade in the near future. Hazen’s suggestion was that the club simply pulling Marte off the table for negotiations was a more likely outcome than a trade coming together at this point.

Yep, I read that earlier. I don’t blame them for wanting to keep him or for saying that to try and get someone to overpay for him.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:19 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:55 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:22 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

They won't spend them for Marte either. Arizona wants major league ready pitching. Seattle isn't about to do that.

I kind of don’t blame either side. Seattle’s window to make the World Series is now and trading from their major league rotation would make that harder to do.

I agree with that. They have a window where they are legit World Series contenders. Their young, quality, cost-controlled rotation is the backbone of that contention. They should keep it. Their window will be adversely affected as these pitchers are now reaching arbitration and becoming more expensive. Some are developing health concerns, some will leave in 2-4 years via free agency. They should use at least some of their prospects to augment their window, unless they think they have enough prospects to seamlessly slide into a new window. The lower acquisition cost makes Donovan a better fit for them than Marte.

I would imagine that would be their thought. And yeah Donny would cost less but it seems like they want to try and underpay for him and I don’t blame Bloom for balking at that.

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:40 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:29 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

Forget about Marte:

GM Mike Hazen made waves yesterday in that corner of the market, however, when he noted that he plans to put an end to conversations regarding a Marte trade in the near future. Hazen’s suggestion was that the club simply pulling Marte off the table for negotiations was a more likely outcome than a trade coming together at this point.

Yep, I read that earlier. I don’t blame them for wanting to keep him or for saying that to try and get someone to overpay for him.

Two things may have truth at the same time.
AZ can't remain paralyzed for long in putting together a 2026 roster.

So might be attempting one last call to teams he's talked to make a move.
They may also still like to deal him, he after all was a public plan A.

MrPostman01 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:29 am Dodgers quietly pursuing Donovan and a Cubs writer thinks Arenado for Matt Shaw is a great idea!!! Get 'er done Bloom!

IF that Cubs writer could only be correct there is probably not a better return
anywhere in MLB for Mr. Arenado.

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:32 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:50 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:46 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:22 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

They won't spend them for Marte either. Arizona wants major league ready pitching. Seattle isn't about to do that.

Evidently the Dbacks are nearly done with trying to trade Marte: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/12/ ... eason.html

If the Mariners are not willing to give up enough talent to obtain Donovan, they sure as hail aren't going to get Marte.

CT overvalues the oft injured/surgeried Hurdy Gurdy

averaged over 500 PA in 4 MLB seasons. You are overstating his injury time off. He is very much coveted by many teams this off season. His return should not be diminished, and if Bloom does not get what he wants, he should keep him.

We like to underscore our position. In text it comes out as over and under valuing. His average PA could mean
more without a 650 PA season. He also averages missing 39 games a season.

He's a very good player that I would like to keep around for another 5 seasons if that
is possible, for Donovan might want to test the FA market.

That said if it's not possible you trade him now and get whatever is the best available return.

MrPostman01 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:29 am Dodgers quietly pursuing Donovan and a Cubs writer thinks Arenado for Matt Shaw is a great idea!!! Get 'er done Bloom!

Here we go. This is where the return is.

I’m fine with including Gorman in a trade with Donovan if that means getting better prospects but then I’m keeping Arenado.
That might actually work out better for us for the next two years.
Arenado would provide better defense than Gorman.

They should have traded Gorman last off season.
Trade Gorman. Trade Nado. Give 3B to JJW. Donovan at 2B. Now your infield is set.
Go find an outfielder Bloomer.

renostl wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:56 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:40 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:29 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

Forget about Marte:

GM Mike Hazen made waves yesterday in that corner of the market, however, when he noted that he plans to put an end to conversations regarding a Marte trade in the near future. Hazen’s suggestion was that the club simply pulling Marte off the table for negotiations was a more likely outcome than a trade coming together at this point.

Yep, I read that earlier. I don’t blame them for wanting to keep him or for saying that to try and get someone to overpay for him.

Two things may have truth at the same time.
AZ can't remain paralyzed for long in putting together a 2026 roster.

So might be attempting one last call to teams he's talked to make a move.
They may also still like to deal him, he after all was a public plan A.

Yep, Cards are in the same position with Donovan. If they don’t get what they want they can keep him.

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:59 pm

renostl wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:56 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:40 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 11:29 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:04 am

12xu wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 07:46 am

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 23:59 pm Take Gorman and Pallante out and add JoJo and I’d do it. Everything I’ve read is that Seattle won’t trade any of Colt Emerson, Kade Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and Michael Arroyo though and they’re rumored to have offered one of Montes/Cijntje plus a couple of fringe prospects which I wouldn’t do if I was Bloom.

Well, if the Mariners won't part with any of Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, Arroyo, and none of the 7 pitchers who started for them last year, then Bloom should just tell them to pound sand.

I agree but I don’t really blame them. I’d rather use those chips to get Marte rather than Donny but it seems like the D-Backs are going to keep Marte.

Forget about Marte:

GM Mike Hazen made waves yesterday in that corner of the market, however, when he noted that he plans to put an end to conversations regarding a Marte trade in the near future. Hazen’s suggestion was that the club simply pulling Marte off the table for negotiations was a more likely outcome than a trade coming together at this point.

Yep, I read that earlier. I don’t blame them for wanting to keep him or for saying that to try and get someone to overpay for him.

Two things may have truth at the same time.
AZ can't remain paralyzed for long in putting together a 2026 roster.

So might be attempting one last call to teams he's talked to make a move.
They may also still like to deal him, he after all was a public plan A.

Yep, Cards are in the same position with Donovan. If they don’t get what they want they can keep him.

They do not.
But,,is BD destined to be a FA? BD knows, maybe Bloom does too.

There is a definite ceiling on this player. IMO
he has much more value in Seattle than St. Louis. Seattle could grab BD and then either
re-sign Suarez or go after Okamoto. A solid 2 more seasons of run at division titles with
known costs.

If St. Louis doesn't deal him they will not be in as much of an advantageous
position in attempting to move a different player.