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Could it be any worse than past few years?Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 11:20 am I am very optimistic that the accuracy and rapidity of player evaluation will be much improved.
Jatalk wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 15:17 pmCould it be any worse than past few years?Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 11:20 am I am very optimistic that the accuracy and rapidity of player evaluation will be much improved.
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Maybe I should word it differently- I believe the new group will be very good at player evaluation, maybe top-tier.
Maybe Mo really was leaving everything up to Oli and he was assuring Mo everything would work out with all of those performance issues and thought he could coach the underperforming players out of it.OldRed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 11:12 amWe saw a lot this the last few years and for some reason Mo was slow to react. I'm more worried about Gorman, especially a lingering back issue. I am hoping Walker and Herrera can show improvement.ecleme22 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 11:08 am 2023 spring training: Waino isn't ready to go, but Woodford will fill in. Shellacked.
2024 spring training: Gray isn't ready to go, but Thompson will fill in. Shellacked.
2024 spring training: Scott will fill in at CF. Overmatched in a huge way.
There are others...
If the 2026 spring training were to start today, the team would have a number of questions. Examples: 1) can Herrera catch? 2) can Gorman hang at 3B? 3) Can JJ hit at the MLB level? 4) Any red flags with Dobbins/Fitts/May?
Unlike us Cardinal fans, who only have the games we watch to go by, I hope the improved coaching can assess and evaluate quickly. For instance, we shouldn't have to watch Herrera catch for 85 games to realize he shouldn't catch. People are worried about Gorman playing 3B...I'm hoping our coaches have a better understanding of these players and can evaluate and make adjustments.
I'm hoping for no more April 'oh (firetruck)!' surprises.
Good and relevant topic. I’m not one of the posters who think I’m smart enough to be a GM or manager, but it’s perplexing and frustrating when anyone watching can tell certain player’s aren’t ready or had obvious flaws all season with no corrective action, and many other things just not working while absolutely nothing was being done about it. Could they not see the obvious, or just didn’t care?ecleme22 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 11:08 am 2023 spring training: Waino isn't ready to go, but Woodford will fill in. Shellacked.
2024 spring training: Gray isn't ready to go, but Thompson will fill in. Shellacked.
2024 spring training: Scott will fill in at CF. Overmatched in a huge way.
There are others...
If the 2026 spring training were to start today, the team would have a number of questions. Examples: 1) can Herrera catch? 2) can Gorman hang at 3B? 3) Can JJ hit at the MLB level? 4) Any red flags with Dobbins/Fitts/May?
Unlike us Cardinal fans, who only have the games we watch to go by, I hope the improved coaching can assess and evaluate quickly. For instance, we shouldn't have to watch Herrera catch for 85 games to realize he shouldn't catch. People are worried about Gorman playing 3B...I'm hoping our coaches have a better understanding of these players and can evaluate and make adjustments.
I'm hoping for no more April 'oh (firetruck)!' surprises.
Exactly. Development doesn't stop on a dime once players reach MLB. That's been proven a million times. Of course, the manager and his coaches are charged with helping players get better if they can get better. Coaching should never stop, unless it's bad coaching. And the jury is still out on Oli and his staff in that regard.Banner29 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 15:02 pmNot entirely true. You want a player to be major league ready sure but there’s also development of young player even in the majors. Expecting them to be in their prime the second they hit the majors that managers and coaching staff shouldn’t have to coach is irresponsible. Especially when the level of play drastically changes, obviously, from the minors to the majorsAn Old Friend wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:26 pmIt shouldn’t be the major league manager’s job to develop players. They need to be ready for him to use and his job is to put them in position to succeed.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 11:56 amThat’s nice, but what if the results of the evaluation are that these young guys can’t do it?Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 11:20 am I am very optimistic that the accuracy and rapidity of player evaluation will be much improved.
Oli certainly isn’t the right one to develop them after they’ve reached a major league given his track record with Gorman and Walker
This.
Then he was injured and never fully recovered.
You didn’t really address your topic. Quick accurate assessments.ecleme22 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 11:08 am 2023 spring training: Waino isn't ready to go, but Woodford will fill in. Shellacked.
2024 spring training: Gray isn't ready to go, but Thompson will fill in. Shellacked.
2024 spring training: Scott will fill in at CF. Overmatched in a huge way.
There are others...
If the 2026 spring training were to start today, the team would have a number of questions. Examples: 1) can Herrera catch? 2) can Gorman hang at 3B? 3) Can JJ hit at the MLB level? 4) Any red flags with Dobbins/Fitts/May?
Unlike us Cardinal fans, who only have the games we watch to go by, I hope the improved coaching can assess and evaluate quickly. For instance, we shouldn't have to watch Herrera catch for 85 games to realize he shouldn't catch. People are worried about Gorman playing 3B...I'm hoping our coaches have a better understanding of these players and can evaluate and make adjustments.
I'm hoping for no more April 'oh (firetruck)!' surprises.
PDJ
Walker will be a star. I feel it. .250 plus 20 bombs and 80 driven in.Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:02 amPDJ
Bader
TO
Carlson
Noot
Walker
Gorman
What gets a team to be in the position the Cards are right now???? Having clueless idiots working in FO with no ability to cut bait and WASTING YEARS on fellas on the list….
I hear that today’s weed is MUCH more potent than yesterdays varieties…..sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:06 amWalker will be a star. I feel it. .250 plus 20 bombs and 80 driven in.Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:02 amPDJ
Bader
TO
Carlson
Noot
Walker
Gorman
What gets a team to be in the position the Cards are right now???? Having clueless idiots working in FO with no ability to cut bait and WASTING YEARS on fellas on the list….
Ha. That’s a good one.Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:14 amI hear that today’s weed is MUCH more potent than yesterdays varieties…..sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:06 amWalker will be a star. I feel it. .250 plus 20 bombs and 80 driven in.Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:02 amPDJ
Bader
TO
Carlson
Noot
Walker
Gorman
What gets a team to be in the position the Cards are right now???? Having clueless idiots working in FO with no ability to cut bait and WASTING YEARS on fellas on the list….
