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Re: Can we agree now we need a QB ?

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Given next years more difficult schedule gonna have to spend +$3M for a experienced P4 QB. Arnold probably could be had for less.
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JackBolly wrote: 28 Dec 2025 08:20 am Given next years more difficult schedule gonna have to spend +$3M for a experienced P4 QB. Arnold probably could be had for less.
Arnold? Tell me you were joking. He has flopped at Oklahoma and Auburn. Missouri doesn't need to be his third strike.
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11WSChamps wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:40 pm I must have missed it where MU made the playoffs with Cook at QB.
He would have, but the playoffs weren't in place two years ago.
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winonsports wrote: 28 Dec 2025 11:37 am
11WSChamps wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:40 pm I must have missed it where MU made the playoffs with Cook at QB.
He would have, but the playoffs weren't in place two years ago.
They were in place just last year where have you been.
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rezero wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:10 pm Zoellers will be a good QB but he is still 2 years away. Remember he was third on depth chart and was not supposed to see the field this year or probably next year. We will hit the transfer portal and get someone established which will get Zoellers more time to develop.
You’re working under the assumption that Zoellers won’t jump ship before then.
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Re: Can we agree now we need a QB ?

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11WSChamps wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.

How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?

Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
Why would anyone or company sink millions of dollars into a bottom 3 SEC team?

It’s disgusting watching grown adult men beg for money on TV
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Rollin' on the River wrote: 28 Dec 2025 12:19 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.

How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?

Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
Why would anyone or company sink millions of dollars into a bottom 3 SEC team?

It’s disgusting watching grown adult men beg for money on TV
That's my point.

It's not hard to figure out.
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icon wrote: 28 Dec 2025 11:15 am
JackBolly wrote: 28 Dec 2025 08:20 am Given next years more difficult schedule gonna have to spend +$3M for a experienced P4 QB. Arnold probably could be had for less.
Arnold? Tell me you were joking. He has flopped at Oklahoma and Auburn. Missouri doesn't need to be his third strike.
Look at Morris - went to NTX after a few years and found redemption in a weak G5 conf. UVa picks him up and he has an amazing season. Arnold may be no different - these young guys can change a lot from year-to-year.
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stanw wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:08 pm We had 45 yards passing going to the last drive -- then under 2 minutes we are running the ball right down the center of the field.
Zollers is not anywhere near ready to lead a SEC team going into next year. The staff did not even trust him in a meaning less bowl game.
Spend the money and go get a stud QB or with the schedule next season we will be lucky to win five games.
We can agree that we need a coach that can competently design an offense that lets the QB position thrive, something even Brady Cook had a hard time doing despite an all American wide receiver, running back, and offensive lineman who became a first round draft pick. I’m not done with Zollers at all, he made a couple throws that blew my mind in the game. What we need is a reformulation of our offense, but at this point I have no reason to believe it will happen. Our offense yesterday did not look much different than we looked all season long, which to me is even more evidence that this was and is Drink’s offense, not KMs, and will continue to be.
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11WSChamps wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.

How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?

Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
You can't seriously think we don't need a real starting QB for next year. Even with a complete OLine overhaul Zollers is not ready (I didn't think he was before the game either). We have Zollers and Sidwar for the future but that future is not next season.
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onemizzou wrote: 28 Dec 2025 20:11 pm
11WSChamps wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.

How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?

Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
You can't seriously think we don't need a real starting QB for next year. Even with a complete OLine overhaul Zollers is not ready (I didn't think he was before the game either). We have Zollers and Sidwar for the future but that future is not next season.
Where did I say that?

I said how are the mid tier or lower P4 schools going to outbid the bluebloods every season for a top tier QB?

Indiana is the ultimate outlier.

At some point you have to develop them if you're not a big money school because there aren't enough of them to go around.

I also said you bring in a QB to compete for the job like any other position.

But this notion thatvguys like Zollers and Sidwar are going to stick around two years without playing with the portal being what it is you're just fooling yourselves.
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What nobody has yet pointed out is that it's going to be even more difficult to entice a proven quarterback to Mizzou with the offense that Drink has put out too many years. The vanilla, predictable, unimaginative, plodding passing game is not what a big time qb is going to want to play. The money is there for any of them; plenty of schools are willing to pay. So they will go to where they can shine if they're good enough, not where quarterbacks go to be buried.
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Rvrartst wrote: 28 Dec 2025 22:45 pm What nobody has yet pointed out is that it's going to be even more difficult to entice a proven quarterback to Mizzou with the offense that Drink has put out too many years. The vanilla, predictable, unimaginative, plodding passing game is not what a big time qb is going to want to play. The money is there for any of them; plenty of schools are willing to pay. So they will go to where they can shine if they're good enough, not where quarterbacks go to be buried.
Yeah, no good QB wants to run a wishbone-like offense where he runs 7 or 8 plays from various formations that are so predictable based on down and distance that some folks think opponents are stealing signals. Not necessary. :lol:
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Re: Can we agree now we need a QB ?

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11WSChamps wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.

How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?

Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
Unfortunately in today’s college player market, you will have to outbid everyone else to keep your highly regarded recruit once you develop them. Gonna pay either way.
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David S. Pumpkins wrote: 29 Dec 2025 06:39 am
11WSChamps wrote: 27 Dec 2025 22:19 pm Yep parts of four games with no D1 experience hampered by having only one healthy starting receiver and his career is over.

How many bluebloods does MU have to outbid to get more than a serviceable QB as opposed to doing diligence to develop a highly regarded recruit?

Then you have to do that every season or outbid another suitor if he's eligible for another season here?
Unfortunately in today’s college player market, you will have to outbid everyone else to keep your highly regarded recruit once you develop them. Gonna pay either way.
Of course.

However if he has a year of success under his belt at that school then I'd have to believe he would stay put with a system he has thrived in and not transfer unless MU couldn't match an offer and with a proven production QB why wouldn't they?
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Re: Can we agree now we need a QB ?

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Keep in mind that Zollers played only the first 3 games of his senior year before an injury kept him out. So that's almost 2 whole seasons without much game time experience. And obviously, high school is a lot different than the SEC.

He looked perfect on the first series against UVA. Everything came together...rushing, blocking, passing, catching. Not sure what changed after that. But he now has a whole year to work on his game as potentially the number 1 guy. This season he was slated as the number 3 guy from the start. I wouldn't count him out.
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