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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:02 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:05 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So teams don't need an actual player who's a leader?

So no one on the Cards staff has played In MLB?


You'd be wrong, twice

I remember hearing that Herzog went to Ozzie Smith and asked him to work with Willie McGee when McGee was acquired. That's the manager being a leader and turning a player into a leader.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:46 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:36 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

I'm sure Whitey Herzog and Tony LaRussa's and Earl Weaver's illustrious MLB careers were critical to their success.

Herzog played several years for multiple managers and had good baseball men on his staff. LaRussa surrounded himself with former MLB players. The 2006 world series team had Dave Duncan, Hal McRae, Dave McKay and Jose Oquendo.

The cardinals declined significantly when Mike Maddux left.

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:02 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:05 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So teams don't need an actual player who's a leader?

So no one on the Cards staff has played In MLB?


You'd be wrong, twice

I remember hearing that Herzog went to Ozzie Smith and asked him to work with Willie McGee when McGee was acquired. That's the manager being a leader and turning a player into a leader.

And you know that Oli has never done that?

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 14:52 pm

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:02 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:05 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So teams don't need an actual player who's a leader?

So no one on the Cards staff has played In MLB?


You'd be wrong, twice

I remember hearing that Herzog went to Ozzie Smith and asked him to work with Willie McGee when McGee was acquired. That's the manager being a leader and turning a player into a leader.

And you know that Oli has never done that?

I suspected he was behind Contreras' antics but others disagreed.

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:23 pm CT experts please rationalize all this
-Last season….play youth….they deserve a fair shot and full season….but keep vets….youth showed nothing
-this offseason…trade all vets to receive prospect for a future winning team….but keep youth who showed nothing last season
-don’t care about winning this season…CBA work stoppage…don’t spend money….but sign a FA SP and now looking for a OF bat
-and finally my favorite from Bloom “we’re not conceding anything and plan to field a competitive team” but he’s traded or trading all the top talent
But is wasting time looking for middling FA scrubs to supplement the Youth who sucked last season.

bccardsfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:42 am

Cardly wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 06:55 am Bloom has mentioned another pitcher, righty OF, and bullpen stabilizer.

Starter: likely a bargain type - Quintana, Corbin
Bullpen: Fairbanks would do great - bring him home
OF: Bader wants $15 mil per for 3 - he’s out. Maybe a trade of Romero, Arenado or Donovan could get an OF.

No to Pham, Castellanos, Grichuk

Mo should've never let "Q" get away, I'd love to see them reunite w/him!

(My Mizzou guy Fairbanks would be great but he may be out of BDWJr's comfort zone" h e l l NO to bringing back Harry as well as your "no's")

No to Bader too... he is what he is and we have seen that. 4th OFer at best. Spend some resources in trade or some money and get one reliable corner OFer who hits from the right side and can actually hit.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:23 pm CT experts please rationalize all this
-Last season….play youth….they deserve a fair shot and full season….but keep vets….youth showed nothing
-this offseason…trade all vets to receive prospect for a future winning team….but keep youth who showed nothing last season
-don’t care about winning this season…CBA work stoppage…don’t spend money….but sign a FA SP and now looking for a OF bat
-and finally my favorite from Bloom “we’re not conceding anything and plan to field a competitive team” but he’s traded or trading all the top talent
But is wasting time looking for middling FA scrubs to supplement the Youth who sucked last season.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:25 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:02 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:05 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So teams don't need an actual player who's a leader?

So no one on the Cards staff has played In MLB?


You'd be wrong, twice

I remember hearing that Herzog went to Ozzie Smith and asked him to work with Willie McGee when McGee was acquired. That's the manager being a leader and turning a player into a leader.

Yeah because managers don't often do this.

Then you have true leaders who are players and take players under their tutledge without being commanded by their manager. Both are valuable

CCard wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 21:53 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So because they won't sign major league talent it's the manager's fault. LOL

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 09:26 am

CCard wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 21:53 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So because they won't sign major league talent it's the manager's fault. LOL

Marmol's last place 2023 team had Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, O'Neill and Wainwright. Plenty of veteran presence.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 09:26 am

CCard wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 21:53 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So because they won't sign major league talent it's the manager's fault. LOL

Marmol's last place 2023 team had Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, O'Neill and Wainwright. Plenty of veteran presence.

CCard wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 09:26 am

CCard wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 21:53 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So because they won't sign major league talent it's the manager's fault. LOL

Marmol's last place 2023 team had Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, O'Neill and Wainwright. Plenty of veteran presence.

Whitey Herzog took the cards to the world series in 82, 85, and 87. In between he had losing seasons. What's your point? Managers don't hit, field, throw or pitch. They can only move pieces around in hopes of them working out. If a million dollar contract can't motivate a player, I doubt anything anybody says will.