Potential Blues -- Kings trade

[BleedingBleu]

Army wants "NOW PLAYERS" because he doesn't want St Louis fans to see what Schenn could actually bring in draft picks.

With "NOW PLAYERS", Army can fluff up the feathers of the new player and many Blues fans will buy the story.

With draft picks, reality cannot be hidden.
- Schenn in return for a Round 2 pick
- Kyrou in return for a Round 2 pick

If Army trades Schenn for a NOW PLAYER, it is BECAUSE Schenn couldn't fetch more than that.

I don’t think anyone is disillusioned with what Schenn could bring back. The guy is 34 w/2.5 years remaining. 32 year old Phillip Danault is the early comp, with a late 2nd Round and a LA team w/Playoff ambitions jumped all over it.

If the Blues could swing a deal for a player like Turcotte and Schenn is the main player going the other way? That’s a better value in my opinion than a 2nd Rounder that fans might see 4 years from now

[Zizzle1297]

Schenn (retained)and Faulk
for

Brandt Clark, Tucotte, Liam Greentree

[dhsux]

It's a good position for a trade to actually happen with the Kings opening up the space needed.

It's also a good position for the Blues to be in if they are thinking the Kings might over pay.

Maybe Doug can swing beyond Tourcette and get one of their top end prospects with him or do a third team trade to upgrade from the Kings deal.

I'm guessing he would also prefer to keep Schenn until the trade deadline to see what the Blues can do the next 2 months with him as captain.

[a smell of green grass]

Army wants "NOW PLAYERS" because he doesn't want St Louis fans to see what Schenn could actually bring in draft picks.

With "NOW PLAYERS", Army can fluff up the feathers of the new player and many Blues fans will buy the story.

With draft picks, reality cannot be hidden.
- Schenn in return for a Round 2 pick
- Kyrou in return for a Round 2 pick

If Army trades Schenn for a NOW PLAYER, it is BECAUSE Schenn couldn't fetch more than that.

I don’t think anyone is disillusioned with what Schenn could bring back. The guy is 34 w/2.5 years remaining. 32 year old Phillip Danault is the early comp, with a late 2nd Round and a LA team w/Playoff ambitions jumped all over it.

If the Blues could swing a deal for a player like Turcotte and Schenn is the main player going the other way? That’s a better value in my opinion than a 2nd Rounder that fans might see 4 years from now

Wow. Hockey wisdom is in the house. I thought that it was gone forever on BluesTalk.

Let's see how far 2 smart BluesTalkers may carry this...

1. Why would Army tell the Hockey GMs that he doesn't want draft picks BECAUSE HE WANTS "NOW PLAYERS"--when the reality is that a 2nd-round pick for Schenn would be so ugly and useless it would be embarrassing? I'm sure that the other Hockey GMs know the true value of Schenn. Do you think that with his comments, Army is just lowering expectations for the STL fans? IMO, that is the SUM TOTAL of the purpose of his comments.

2. Why is it that there is not a single player on the Blues Roster for which we could fetch a "Noah Dobson" like return? Not one, is there? Is that a problem for the Blues going forward? We see now that Schenn can't be parlayed into a Matthew Schaeffer.

3. What is Army's plan for obtaining an elite 1C, and elite RHD? If he can't parlay Schenn into that, then how is he going to acquire that?

[moose-and-squirrel]

Dobson is better than any player on the Blues?

lolz

[Nublues69]

NHL Trade Rumors
Why the Los Angeles Kings Are Targeting St. Louis Blues Forward Brayden Schenn
By Rob Ellis -December 22, 20251647
St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn (#10) skates with the puck past tall rink boards featuring a Coca-Cola advertisement. Behind the glass, Los Angeles Kings fans cheer, and a woman holds up a handmade sign that reads "COME TO LOS ANGELES BRAYDEN!".
St. Louis Blues forward Brayden Schenn skates past Los Angeles Kings fans, one of whom is holding a sign imploring him to join the Kings amidst ongoing trade speculation.
When Kings GM Ken Holland moved Phillip Danault to Montreal on Friday, it wasn’t just about clearing cap space in a vacuum—it was about setting the table for a specific target. That target appears to be St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn.

Eric Stephens of The Athletic correctly noted that Los Angeles didn’t get a roster player back for Danault. That’s because the “win-now” roster player is likely coming in the next move. The Kings are currently starved for offense, and the organization still believes their playoff window is wide open with Anze Kopitar continuing to defy his age.

But here’s the catch that makes this complicated: St. Louis Blues GM Doug Armstrong isn’t interested in a full rebuild. He doesn’t want the draft picks LA just acquired. Reports indicate the Blues are seeking a “young NHL player” in return for Schenn to help them retool on the fly.

The “Win-Now” Mandate and Cap Reality
My take is that Ken Holland is far from done. You don’t clear Danault’s $5.5 million cap hit right before the holiday freeze unless you have an immediate plan to utilize it. That move gives the Kings roughly $9.2 million in current cap space.

Brayden Schenn’s contract fits almost perfectly into the slot Danault vacated. This isn’t a coincidence; it’s calculated roster surgery. The Kings need Schenn’s specific brand of versatile, gritty scoring and leadership to punch up their top-nine forward group. They cannot afford another wasted season of offensive struggles while their core is aging.

If the Blues are adamant about getting a young, NHL-ready player rather than futures, the Kings are one of the few contenders with the specific depth to make this deal work.

The Projected Trade Package: What LA Must Sacrifice
Based on the Blues’ desire for a “retool” piece—someone who can step into their lineup immediately but is younger than Schenn—the Kings will have to dip into their surplus of young forwards.

The likely centerpiece: Alex Turcotte.

Turcotte, a former 5th overall pick, has struggled to crack the Kings’ deep center position permanently. However, he possesses the two-way pedigree and grit that Doug Armstrong covets in St. Louis. He fits the “young NHL player” description perfectly and needs a fresh start where he can play significant minutes.

Another option, if the Blues prefer pure shooting, is Samuel Fagemo, who has dominated the AHL but hasn’t found a consistent top-six role in Los Angeles.

A projected trade scenario looks like this:

To St. Louis Blues: Fwd Alex Turcotte + a mid-tier prospect.
To Los Angeles Kings: Fwd Brayden Schenn (with potential slight salary retention depending on the second piece moving to STL).
This moves a blocked asset from LA for immediate help, while giving St. Louis a young piece they can plug into their middle-six for the next five years.

I would be ok with this trade. What do you think ???

we need defense we have aton of forwards.

Carbonneau
Stenberg
berggren
and the bunch in ahl

[Nublues69]

Henry Brzustewicz

i would take this guy

[a smell of green grass]

Dobson is better than any player on the Blues?

lolz

Mr LOLZ

Who on the Blues roster could bring a trade return as high as Noah Dobson?

Please enlghten me.

[Pierre McGuire]

Henry Brzustewicz

i would take this guy

That’s the ask for sure.

[BluesDom]

That would be fine.

[Old_Goat]

NHL Trade Rumors
Why the Los Angeles Kings Are Targeting St. Louis Blues Forward Brayden Schenn
By Rob Ellis -December 22, 20251647
St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn (#10) skates with the puck past tall rink boards featuring a Coca-Cola advertisement. Behind the glass, Los Angeles Kings fans cheer, and a woman holds up a handmade sign that reads "COME TO LOS ANGELES BRAYDEN!".
St. Louis Blues forward Brayden Schenn skates past Los Angeles Kings fans, one of whom is holding a sign imploring him to join the Kings amidst ongoing trade speculation.
When Kings GM Ken Holland moved Phillip Danault to Montreal on Friday, it wasn’t just about clearing cap space in a vacuum—it was about setting the table for a specific target. That target appears to be St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn.

Eric Stephens of The Athletic correctly noted that Los Angeles didn’t get a roster player back for Danault. That’s because the “win-now” roster player is likely coming in the next move. The Kings are currently starved for offense, and the organization still believes their playoff window is wide open with Anze Kopitar continuing to defy his age.

But here’s the catch that makes this complicated: St. Louis Blues GM Doug Armstrong isn’t interested in a full rebuild. He doesn’t want the draft picks LA just acquired. Reports indicate the Blues are seeking a “young NHL player” in return for Schenn to help them retool on the fly.

The “Win-Now” Mandate and Cap Reality
My take is that Ken Holland is far from done. You don’t clear Danault’s $5.5 million cap hit right before the holiday freeze unless you have an immediate plan to utilize it. That move gives the Kings roughly $9.2 million in current cap space.

Brayden Schenn’s contract fits almost perfectly into the slot Danault vacated. This isn’t a coincidence; it’s calculated roster surgery. The Kings need Schenn’s specific brand of versatile, gritty scoring and leadership to punch up their top-nine forward group. They cannot afford another wasted season of offensive struggles while their core is aging.

If the Blues are adamant about getting a young, NHL-ready player rather than futures, the Kings are one of the few contenders with the specific depth to make this deal work.

The Projected Trade Package: What LA Must Sacrifice
Based on the Blues’ desire for a “retool” piece—someone who can step into their lineup immediately but is younger than Schenn—the Kings will have to dip into their surplus of young forwards.

The likely centerpiece: Alex Turcotte.

Turcotte, a former 5th overall pick, has struggled to crack the Kings’ deep center position permanently. However, he possesses the two-way pedigree and grit that Doug Armstrong covets in St. Louis. He fits the “young NHL player” description perfectly and needs a fresh start where he can play significant minutes.

Another option, if the Blues prefer pure shooting, is Samuel Fagemo, who has dominated the AHL but hasn’t found a consistent top-six role in Los Angeles.

A projected trade scenario looks like this:

To St. Louis Blues: Fwd Alex Turcotte + a mid-tier prospect.
To Los Angeles Kings: Fwd Brayden Schenn (with potential slight salary retention depending on the second piece moving to STL).
This moves a blocked asset from LA for immediate help, while giving St. Louis a young piece they can plug into their middle-six for the next five years.

I would be ok with this trade. What do you think ???

we need defense we have aton of forwards.

Carbonneau
Stenberg
berggren
and the bunch in ahl

Well, this is true, but we do need another solid, faster Center with more-so offense ability. dsux, BleedinBleu, Chris2fer, Backesdraft, JoshInFenton all make cogent points above.
Right now Schenn>Blues is a lot like Okposo>Sabres a few years ago. But Schenn (younger) could and should bring more in trade than Okposo did. Although Schenn already has a cup, he (any player) would love a real opportunity to get another. I think the closer to the deadline, we may be able to get more for him that could help us a lot sooner than any yet-to-be drafted pick. No lousy team needs to give up great potential top-of-the-draft pick for him, and only lousy teams are going to have those. His strong intangibles, leadership, etc. are valued by teams with a real chance for the hear & now.
We are frustrating right now, but we are not that lousy and fans and players don't want to "throw it" to be lousy. No player is going to play terribly so that he can help a young kid come take his place and/or lessen his value for future better contract.
In the meantime, Schenn needs to be on a Wing and not on one our 2 best offensive lines...whatever you want to or realistically can call those lines right now is all relative.

[Boomac]

Turcotte has some concussion history, right?

He seems like a low value get - nothing against the guy personally but he seems like a JAG. I could see us trading Torp for him but not Schenn, the market has been set with the Danault trade for a two way middle 6 center.

And I'd have to imagine teams value Schenn higher. Recency bias would have last year's playoff performance fresh in GM's minds and I bet some would pay a premium for that type of impact.

[Nublues69]

Henry Brzustewicz

i would take this guy

That’s the ask for sure.

I dont think picking 3rd line centers is what we need. That kid could be ready in 2-3 years and b come in after mailloux really starts coming into his own

[Nublues69]

NHL Trade Rumors
Why the Los Angeles Kings Are Targeting St. Louis Blues Forward Brayden Schenn
By Rob Ellis -December 22, 20251647
St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn (#10) skates with the puck past tall rink boards featuring a Coca-Cola advertisement. Behind the glass, Los Angeles Kings fans cheer, and a woman holds up a handmade sign that reads "COME TO LOS ANGELES BRAYDEN!".
St. Louis Blues forward Brayden Schenn skates past Los Angeles Kings fans, one of whom is holding a sign imploring him to join the Kings amidst ongoing trade speculation.
When Kings GM Ken Holland moved Phillip Danault to Montreal on Friday, it wasn’t just about clearing cap space in a vacuum—it was about setting the table for a specific target. That target appears to be St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn.

Eric Stephens of The Athletic correctly noted that Los Angeles didn’t get a roster player back for Danault. That’s because the “win-now” roster player is likely coming in the next move. The Kings are currently starved for offense, and the organization still believes their playoff window is wide open with Anze Kopitar continuing to defy his age.

But here’s the catch that makes this complicated: St. Louis Blues GM Doug Armstrong isn’t interested in a full rebuild. He doesn’t want the draft picks LA just acquired. Reports indicate the Blues are seeking a “young NHL player” in return for Schenn to help them retool on the fly.

The “Win-Now” Mandate and Cap Reality
My take is that Ken Holland is far from done. You don’t clear Danault’s $5.5 million cap hit right before the holiday freeze unless you have an immediate plan to utilize it. That move gives the Kings roughly $9.2 million in current cap space.

Brayden Schenn’s contract fits almost perfectly into the slot Danault vacated. This isn’t a coincidence; it’s calculated roster surgery. The Kings need Schenn’s specific brand of versatile, gritty scoring and leadership to punch up their top-nine forward group. They cannot afford another wasted season of offensive struggles while their core is aging.

If the Blues are adamant about getting a young, NHL-ready player rather than futures, the Kings are one of the few contenders with the specific depth to make this deal work.

The Projected Trade Package: What LA Must Sacrifice
Based on the Blues’ desire for a “retool” piece—someone who can step into their lineup immediately but is younger than Schenn—the Kings will have to dip into their surplus of young forwards.

The likely centerpiece: Alex Turcotte.

Turcotte, a former 5th overall pick, has struggled to crack the Kings’ deep center position permanently. However, he possesses the two-way pedigree and grit that Doug Armstrong covets in St. Louis. He fits the “young NHL player” description perfectly and needs a fresh start where he can play significant minutes.

Another option, if the Blues prefer pure shooting, is Samuel Fagemo, who has dominated the AHL but hasn’t found a consistent top-six role in Los Angeles.

A projected trade scenario looks like this:

To St. Louis Blues: Fwd Alex Turcotte + a mid-tier prospect.
To Los Angeles Kings: Fwd Brayden Schenn (with potential slight salary retention depending on the second piece moving to STL).
This moves a blocked asset from LA for immediate help, while giving St. Louis a young piece they can plug into their middle-six for the next five years.

I would be ok with this trade. What do you think ???

we need defense we have aton of forwards.

Carbonneau
Stenberg
berggren
and the bunch in ahl

Well, this is true, but we do need another solid, faster Center with more-so offense ability. dsux, BleedinBleu, Chris2fer, Backesdraft, JoshInFenton all make cogent points above.
Right now Schenn>Blues is a lot like Okposo>Sabres a few years ago. But Schenn (younger) could and should bring more in trade than Okposo did. Although Schenn already has a cup, he (any player) would love a real opportunity to get another. I think the closer to the deadline, we may be able to get more for him that could help us a lot sooner than any yet-to-be drafted pick. No lousy team needs to give up great potential top-of-the-draft pick for him, and only lousy teams are going to have those. His strong intangibles, leadership, etc. are valued by teams with a real chance for the hear & now.
We are frustrating right now, but we are not that lousy and fans and players don't want to "throw it" to be lousy. No player is going to play terribly so that he can help a young kid come take his place and/or lessen his value for future better contract.
In the meantime, Schenn needs to be on a Wing and not on one our 2 best offensive lines...whatever you want to or realistically can call those lines right now is all relative.

dvorsky, stenberg thomas suter bjstad. we dont need a third line ceiling center. We need good 2c. so load up on defense

[seattleblue]

Henry Brzustewicz

i would take this guy

That’s the ask for sure.

!!

[Old_Goat]

NHL Trade Rumors
Why the Los Angeles Kings Are Targeting St. Louis Blues Forward Brayden Schenn
By Rob Ellis -December 22, 20251647
St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn (#10) skates with the puck past tall rink boards featuring a Coca-Cola advertisement. Behind the glass, Los Angeles Kings fans cheer, and a woman holds up a handmade sign that reads "COME TO LOS ANGELES BRAYDEN!".
St. Louis Blues forward Brayden Schenn skates past Los Angeles Kings fans, one of whom is holding a sign imploring him to join the Kings amidst ongoing trade speculation.
When Kings GM Ken Holland moved Phillip Danault to Montreal on Friday, it wasn’t just about clearing cap space in a vacuum—it was about setting the table for a specific target. That target appears to be St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn.

Eric Stephens of The Athletic correctly noted that Los Angeles didn’t get a roster player back for Danault. That’s because the “win-now” roster player is likely coming in the next move. The Kings are currently starved for offense, and the organization still believes their playoff window is wide open with Anze Kopitar continuing to defy his age.

But here’s the catch that makes this complicated: St. Louis Blues GM Doug Armstrong isn’t interested in a full rebuild. He doesn’t want the draft picks LA just acquired. Reports indicate the Blues are seeking a “young NHL player” in return for Schenn to help them retool on the fly.

The “Win-Now” Mandate and Cap Reality
My take is that Ken Holland is far from done. You don’t clear Danault’s $5.5 million cap hit right before the holiday freeze unless you have an immediate plan to utilize it. That move gives the Kings roughly $9.2 million in current cap space.

Brayden Schenn’s contract fits almost perfectly into the slot Danault vacated. This isn’t a coincidence; it’s calculated roster surgery. The Kings need Schenn’s specific brand of versatile, gritty scoring and leadership to punch up their top-nine forward group. They cannot afford another wasted season of offensive struggles while their core is aging.

If the Blues are adamant about getting a young, NHL-ready player rather than futures, the Kings are one of the few contenders with the specific depth to make this deal work.

The Projected Trade Package: What LA Must Sacrifice
Based on the Blues’ desire for a “retool” piece—someone who can step into their lineup immediately but is younger than Schenn—the Kings will have to dip into their surplus of young forwards.

The likely centerpiece: Alex Turcotte.

Turcotte, a former 5th overall pick, has struggled to crack the Kings’ deep center position permanently. However, he possesses the two-way pedigree and grit that Doug Armstrong covets in St. Louis. He fits the “young NHL player” description perfectly and needs a fresh start where he can play significant minutes.

Another option, if the Blues prefer pure shooting, is Samuel Fagemo, who has dominated the AHL but hasn’t found a consistent top-six role in Los Angeles.

A projected trade scenario looks like this:

To St. Louis Blues: Fwd Alex Turcotte + a mid-tier prospect.
To Los Angeles Kings: Fwd Brayden Schenn (with potential slight salary retention depending on the second piece moving to STL).
This moves a blocked asset from LA for immediate help, while giving St. Louis a young piece they can plug into their middle-six for the next five years.

I would be ok with this trade. What do you think ???

we need defense we have aton of forwards.

Carbonneau
Stenberg
berggren
and the bunch in ahl

Well, this is true, but we do need another solid, faster Center with more-so offense ability. dsux, BleedinBleu, Chris2fer, Backesdraft, JoshInFenton all make cogent points above.
Right now Schenn>Blues is a lot like Okposo>Sabres a few years ago. But Schenn (younger) could and should bring more in trade than Okposo did. Although Schenn already has a cup, he (any player) would love a real opportunity to get another. I think the closer to the deadline, we may be able to get more for him that could help us a lot sooner than any yet-to-be drafted pick. No lousy team needs to give up great potential top-of-the-draft pick for him, and only lousy teams are going to have those. His strong intangibles, leadership, etc. are valued by teams with a real chance for the hear & now.
We are frustrating right now, but we are not that lousy and fans and players don't want to "throw it" to be lousy. No player is going to play terribly so that he can help a young kid come take his place and/or lessen his value for future better contract.
In the meantime, Schenn needs to be on a Wing and not on one our 2 best offensive lines...whatever you want to or realistically can call those lines right now is all relative.

dvorsky, stenberg thomas suter bjstad. we dont need a third line ceiling center. We need good 2c. so load up on defense

Once again it is true we need defense and we have forwards. But our only "Top" 1 or 2 center currently is Thomas. Dvorsky has great potential, he'll probably get there in probably about two years. Stenberg is not a Center. Suter is a 3rd line center. Bjugstad is a 4th line center. And while we are at it, so is Sunqvist. Schenn is no longer a Center, and better as a 3rd line winger than a 4th line Center. If our goalies start playing consistently better to their historic potential, that will help our offense players less than it will help our defense.
I am not saying that we need another third line ceiling center. We need someone as close to Thomas as possible, ideally even better. At best for Schenn we'll get a prospect that at one time in their past showed potential for that. It's a risk. I don't know enough about this Turcotte guy. We'll see what happens.