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blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 21:14 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 20:48 pm Though I did not hear Oli's reply , the first report I read said that after making the comment Oli immediately laughed. Therefore, he was making a humorous retort to the question.
So he was using humor and some took it as a serious reply to the question. One must always consider any words in the context of the moment.

Some would characterize his reply as self-depricating humor.

He has a great personality. I think he'd be an awesome guy to get a beer with. That's part of the reason I don't like him as a manager. He's too much cheerleader, not enough commander-in-chief.

He laughed at it, but didn't laugh at it as though "How ridiculous is that? It was more of a "What else can I do but laugh?" He took it seriously saying "That's what happens when you sit in the manager's chair and that's fine because that's where I want to be."

Again, more commander, less cheerleader-I'm-your-buddy and he could be serviceable. But he also has too many other bad strategies he consistenly employs.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 06:37 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 17:27 pm Monday (yesterday) afternoon, the Fastlane interviewed Oli Marmol. They asked him, "Now that you're entering your 5th year, what's the main thing you thought you knew during your first season, but you realize now you actually had no clue about it back then?"

Oli's response:

"I had no idea I would be hated this much."

He was able to laugh it off and followed up by saying it's okay because being in the big chair means ultimately every decision ends with you and that's what he says he wants.

Personally, I feel if you truly hate a sports player/coach you're trying to fill some other void in your life with sports. Actually hating a person in sports makes you one of those cukoo for cocoa puffs fans.

I think he seems like a great guy but loathe him as a manager due to his unapologetic demeanor and the fact he repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I've still never heard him admit that Game 1 against the Phils in 2022 was a mistake. He doesn't need to slap his forehead and scream omg I was an idiot. If he'd just show he could grow and learn from his mistakes and admit if I had a chance to that differently, I would. Others...

-stop giving young players constant "scheduled off-days" omg nothing kills momentum like these pre-decided idiotic moves
-go with the hot hand instead of the perfect matchup, in pitching, hitting, and even defensive shifts/pitch calls
-if any starting pitcher, bp arm, hitter is on fire during a game, keep him in there as long as possible, even if a certain situation calls for a different matchup
-stop making late-innning D replacements with your best hitters unless your 90%+ sure removing him will not come back to bite you

Those are mine. Others have thoughts of things he could do to quell some of the hate?

Maybe he'll read this and listen. lmao

He's laughing because he is set for life with the money he is making and kept his job in spite of 2 losing seasons in the last 3.

ramfandan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:30 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 06:37 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 17:27 pm Monday (yesterday) afternoon, the Fastlane interviewed Oli Marmol. They asked him, "Now that you're entering your 5th year, what's the main thing you thought you knew during your first season, but you realize now you actually had no clue about it back then?"

Oli's response:

"I had no idea I would be hated this much."

He was able to laugh it off and followed up by saying it's okay because being in the big chair means ultimately every decision ends with you and that's what he says he wants.

Personally, I feel if you truly hate a sports player/coach you're trying to fill some other void in your life with sports. Actually hating a person in sports makes you one of those cukoo for cocoa puffs fans.

I think he seems like a great guy but loathe him as a manager due to his unapologetic demeanor and the fact he repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I've still never heard him admit that Game 1 against the Phils in 2022 was a mistake. He doesn't need to slap his forehead and scream omg I was an idiot. If he'd just show he could grow and learn from his mistakes and admit if I had a chance to that differently, I would. Others...

-stop giving young players constant "scheduled off-days" omg nothing kills momentum like these pre-decided idiotic moves
-go with the hot hand instead of the perfect matchup, in pitching, hitting, and even defensive shifts/pitch calls
-if any starting pitcher, bp arm, hitter is on fire during a game, keep him in there as long as possible, even if a certain situation calls for a different matchup
-stop making late-innning D replacements with your best hitters unless your 90%+ sure removing him will not come back to bite you

Those are mine. Others have thoughts of things he could do to quell some of the hate?

Maybe he'll read this and listen. lmao

He's laughing because he is set for life with the money he is making and kept his job in spite of 2 losing seasons in the last 3.

Marmol has an overall winning record (just slightly over .500) of .502 in his three years. LaRussa’s first three years was a .504 record.
Don’t remember the same criticism with a similar record.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 17:27 pm Monday (yesterday) afternoon, the Fastlane interviewed Oli Marmol. They asked him, "Now that you're entering your 5th year, what's the main thing you thought you knew during your first season, but you realize now you actually had no clue about it back then?"

Oli's response:

"I had no idea I would be hated this much."

He was able to laugh it off and followed up by saying it's okay because being in the big chair means ultimately every decision ends with you and that's what he says he wants.

Personally, I feel if you truly hate a sports player/coach you're trying to fill some other void in your life with sports. Actually hating a person in sports makes you one of those cukoo for cocoa puffs fans.

I think he seems like a great guy but loathe him as a manager due to his unapologetic demeanor and the fact he repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I've still never heard him admit that Game 1 against the Phils in 2022 was a mistake. He doesn't need to slap his forehead and scream omg I was an idiot. If he'd just show he could grow and learn from his mistakes and admit if I had a chance to that differently, I would. Others...

-stop giving young players constant "scheduled off-days" omg nothing kills momentum like these pre-decided idiotic moves
-go with the hot hand instead of the perfect matchup, in pitching, hitting, and even defensive shifts/pitch calls
-if any starting pitcher, bp arm, hitter is on fire during a game, keep him in there as long as possible, even if a certain situation calls for a different matchup
-stop making late-innning D replacements with your best hitters unless your 90%+ sure removing him will not come back to bite you

Those are mine. Others have thoughts of things he could do to quell some of the hate?

Maybe he'll read this and listen. lmao

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:33 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:30 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 06:37 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 17:27 pm Monday (yesterday) afternoon, the Fastlane interviewed Oli Marmol. They asked him, "Now that you're entering your 5th year, what's the main thing you thought you knew during your first season, but you realize now you actually had no clue about it back then?"

Oli's response:

"I had no idea I would be hated this much."

He was able to laugh it off and followed up by saying it's okay because being in the big chair means ultimately every decision ends with you and that's what he says he wants.

Personally, I feel if you truly hate a sports player/coach you're trying to fill some other void in your life with sports. Actually hating a person in sports makes you one of those cukoo for cocoa puffs fans.

I think he seems like a great guy but loathe him as a manager due to his unapologetic demeanor and the fact he repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I've still never heard him admit that Game 1 against the Phils in 2022 was a mistake. He doesn't need to slap his forehead and scream omg I was an idiot. If he'd just show he could grow and learn from his mistakes and admit if I had a chance to that differently, I would. Others...

-stop giving young players constant "scheduled off-days" omg nothing kills momentum like these pre-decided idiotic moves
-go with the hot hand instead of the perfect matchup, in pitching, hitting, and even defensive shifts/pitch calls
-if any starting pitcher, bp arm, hitter is on fire during a game, keep him in there as long as possible, even if a certain situation calls for a different matchup
-stop making late-innning D replacements with your best hitters unless your 90%+ sure removing him will not come back to bite you

Those are mine. Others have thoughts of things he could do to quell some of the hate?

Maybe he'll read this and listen. lmao

He's laughing because he is set for life with the money he is making and kept his job in spite of 2 losing seasons in the last 3.

Marmol has an overall winning record (just slightly over .500) of .502 in his three years. LaRussa’s first three years was a .504 record.
Don’t remember the same criticism with a similar record.

What do we count. The number of overall wins. Or the number of winning seasons.

The total wins, as evidenced by, can be greatly skewed by a good year.

ramfandan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:50 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:33 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:30 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 06:37 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 17:27 pm Monday (yesterday) afternoon, the Fastlane interviewed Oli Marmol. They asked him, "Now that you're entering your 5th year, what's the main thing you thought you knew during your first season, but you realize now you actually had no clue about it back then?"

Oli's response:

"I had no idea I would be hated this much."

He was able to laugh it off and followed up by saying it's okay because being in the big chair means ultimately every decision ends with you and that's what he says he wants.

Personally, I feel if you truly hate a sports player/coach you're trying to fill some other void in your life with sports. Actually hating a person in sports makes you one of those cukoo for cocoa puffs fans.

I think he seems like a great guy but loathe him as a manager due to his unapologetic demeanor and the fact he repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I've still never heard him admit that Game 1 against the Phils in 2022 was a mistake. He doesn't need to slap his forehead and scream omg I was an idiot. If he'd just show he could grow and learn from his mistakes and admit if I had a chance to that differently, I would. Others...

-stop giving young players constant "scheduled off-days" omg nothing kills momentum like these pre-decided idiotic moves
-go with the hot hand instead of the perfect matchup, in pitching, hitting, and even defensive shifts/pitch calls
-if any starting pitcher, bp arm, hitter is on fire during a game, keep him in there as long as possible, even if a certain situation calls for a different matchup
-stop making late-innning D replacements with your best hitters unless your 90%+ sure removing him will not come back to bite you

Those are mine. Others have thoughts of things he could do to quell some of the hate?

Maybe he'll read this and listen. lmao

He's laughing because he is set for life with the money he is making and kept his job in spite of 2 losing seasons in the last 3.

Marmol has an overall winning record (just slightly over .500) of .502 in his three years. LaRussa’s first three years was a .504 record.
Don’t remember the same criticism with a similar record.

What do we count. The number of overall wins. Or the number of winning seasons.

The total wins, as evidenced by, can be greatly skewed by a good year.

Overall wins vs overall losses
By using the ‘winning seasons’ formula , then you could have the following record 82-80, 82-80, and 60- 102. .. a whopping 224-262 record but argue to me you had 2 of 3 winning seasons and deserve to be given added years. As a GM , my reply may be ‘sorry you have a 224-262 won/loss record so bye bye.

Just don’t buy the ‘winning seasons’ theory sorry.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 21:14 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 20:48 pm Though I did not hear Oli's reply , the first report I read said that after making the comment Oli immediately laughed. Therefore, he was making a humorous retort to the question.
So he was using humor and some took it as a serious reply to the question. One must always consider any words in the context of the moment.

Some would characterize his reply as self-depricating humor.

He has a great personality. I think he'd be an awesome guy to get a beer with. That's part of the reason I don't like him as a manager. He's too much cheerleader, not enough commander-in-chief.

He laughed at it, but didn't laugh at it as though "How ridiculous is that? It was more of a "What else can I do but laugh?" He took it seriously saying "That's what happens when you sit in the manager's chair and that's fine because that's where I want to be."

Again, more commander, less cheerleader-I'm-your-buddy and he could be serviceable. But he also has too many other bad strategies he consistenly employs.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 06:37 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 17:27 pm Monday (yesterday) afternoon, the Fastlane interviewed Oli Marmol. They asked him, "Now that you're entering your 5th year, what's the main thing you thought you knew during your first season, but you realize now you actually had no clue about it back then?"

Oli's response:

"I had no idea I would be hated this much."

He was able to laugh it off and followed up by saying it's okay because being in the big chair means ultimately every decision ends with you and that's what he says he wants.

Personally, I feel if you truly hate a sports player/coach you're trying to fill some other void in your life with sports. Actually hating a person in sports makes you one of those cukoo for cocoa puffs fans.

I think he seems like a great guy but loathe him as a manager due to his unapologetic demeanor and the fact he repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I've still never heard him admit that Game 1 against the Phils in 2022 was a mistake. He doesn't need to slap his forehead and scream omg I was an idiot. If he'd just show he could grow and learn from his mistakes and admit if I had a chance to that differently, I would. Others...

-stop giving young players constant "scheduled off-days" omg nothing kills momentum like these pre-decided idiotic moves
-go with the hot hand instead of the perfect matchup, in pitching, hitting, and even defensive shifts/pitch calls
-if any starting pitcher, bp arm, hitter is on fire during a game, keep him in there as long as possible, even if a certain situation calls for a different matchup
-stop making late-innning D replacements with your best hitters unless your 90%+ sure removing him will not come back to bite you

Those are mine. Others have thoughts of things he could do to quell some of the hate?

Maybe he'll read this and listen. lmao

He's laughing because he is set for life with the money he is making and kept his job in spite of 2 losing seasons in the last 3.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 06:58 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 21:14 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 20:48 pm Though I did not hear Oli's reply , the first report I read said that after making the comment Oli immediately laughed. Therefore, he was making a humorous retort to the question.
So he was using humor and some took it as a serious reply to the question. One must always consider any words in the context of the moment.

Some would characterize his reply as self-depricating humor.

He has a great personality. I think he'd be an awesome guy to get a beer with. That's part of the reason I don't like him as a manager. He's too much cheerleader, not enough commander-in-chief.

He laughed at it, but didn't laugh at it as though "How ridiculous is that? It was more of a "What else can I do but laugh?" He took it seriously saying "That's what happens when you sit in the manager's chair and that's fine because that's where I want to be."

Again, more commander, less cheerleader-I'm-your-buddy and he could be serviceable. But he also has too many other bad strategies he consistenly employs.

In the military we had this saying- if your liked your not respected; if your respected, who cares if your liked.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:19 am There are things I disagree with but hate is a pretty strong emotion and I certainly don't feel that for someone I don't even know.

I don't care for the way he handles his pitchers and I don't care for the on bench attitude of players during games when the team is taking a beating. You see guys laughing carrying on like its recess. Doesn't send a good message to the younger players.

You never saw that with any other manager the team has
had and that cavalier attitude extends to the field.

Melville wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:24 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 06:58 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 21:14 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 20:48 pm Though I did not hear Oli's reply , the first report I read said that after making the comment Oli immediately laughed. Therefore, he was making a humorous retort to the question.
So he was using humor and some took it as a serious reply to the question. One must always consider any words in the context of the moment.

Some would characterize his reply as self-depricating humor.

He has a great personality. I think he'd be an awesome guy to get a beer with. That's part of the reason I don't like him as a manager. He's too much cheerleader, not enough commander-in-chief.

He laughed at it, but didn't laugh at it as though "How ridiculous is that? It was more of a "What else can I do but laugh?" He took it seriously saying "That's what happens when you sit in the manager's chair and that's fine because that's where I want to be."

Again, more commander, less cheerleader-I'm-your-buddy and he could be serviceable. But he also has too many other bad strategies he consistenly employs.

In the military we had this saying- if your liked your not respected; if your respected, who cares if your liked.

I have managed thousands of employees over the years.
My job was to help everyone one of them succeed.
I treated everyone exactly the same (something The Marmot has never figured out).
Funny thing.
I have been fortunate enough to enjoy many, many successes over the decades and only a few disappointments - and I can count the complaints from others on one hand.
Which is something else The Marmot has never figured out - and likely never will.
The best way to limit criticism is by producing success.