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cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:56 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:55 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:37 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:45 pm Oh boy...

Another hurdle in the path of the St Louis Cardinals hopes of returning to success.

The Cardinals have to realize that tanking is not the best time to renegotiate a long term TV deal, right?

Carrier: So what are your viewership numbers?

Cardinals: Well we decided to make it difficult to watch our games in many markets and we let the STL media run wild with a narrative that the Cardinals have been downright awful for 10 years (2016-2025) and we can never win again even though we have won 52.3% of our games which is 10th best in MLB since the end of our 5 year run as the best team in MLB from 2011-2015.

Carrier: Why do we want to give you large sums of money if no one will be watching?

Cardinals: Can we sign an IOU for you? We've had a bad run of luck and don't expect to have a good product to watch for at least a couple more years.

I think the #1 factor contributing to recent fan apathy is that there are really no marketable or exciting players currently on the team. Which player would you even buy a jersey for right now?

I can only speak for me, but I wasn't put off by the players as I was the utterly poor performance by the front office, the poor roster construction, the mixed messaging, and the condescension.

I'm not put off by the players at all. I'm just saying that there have been no players on the team the past few years that are going to excite the casual fan. There are no "must see" players. Hopefully that turns around quickly.

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:43 pm Cardinals should start their own network. The network could cover the Blues, SLU basketball and perhaps some Mizzou sports.

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:37 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:45 pm Oh boy...

Another hurdle in the path of the St Louis Cardinals hopes of returning to success.

The Cardinals have to realize that tanking is not the best time to renegotiate a long term TV deal, right?

Carrier: So what are your viewership numbers?

Cardinals: Well we decided to make it difficult to watch our games in many markets and we let the STL media run wild with a narrative that the Cardinals have been downright awful for 10 years (2016-2025) and we can never win again even though we have won 52.3% of our games which is 10th best in MLB since the end of our 5 year run as the best team in MLB from 2011-2015.

Carrier: Why do we want to give you large sums of money if no one will be watching?

Cardinals: Can we sign an IOU for you? We've had a bad run of luck and don't expect to have a good product to watch for at least a couple more years.

I think the #1 factor contributing to recent fan apathy is that there are really no marketable or exciting players currently on the team. Which player would you even buy a jersey for right now?

WeeVikes wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:16 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:56 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:55 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:37 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:45 pm Oh boy...

Another hurdle in the path of the St Louis Cardinals hopes of returning to success.

The Cardinals have to realize that tanking is not the best time to renegotiate a long term TV deal, right?

Carrier: So what are your viewership numbers?

Cardinals: Well we decided to make it difficult to watch our games in many markets and we let the STL media run wild with a narrative that the Cardinals have been downright awful for 10 years (2016-2025) and we can never win again even though we have won 52.3% of our games which is 10th best in MLB since the end of our 5 year run as the best team in MLB from 2011-2015.

Carrier: Why do we want to give you large sums of money if no one will be watching?

Cardinals: Can we sign an IOU for you? We've had a bad run of luck and don't expect to have a good product to watch for at least a couple more years.

I think the #1 factor contributing to recent fan apathy is that there are really no marketable or exciting players currently on the team. Which player would you even buy a jersey for right now?

I can only speak for me, but I wasn't put off by the players as I was the utterly poor performance by the front office, the poor roster construction, the mixed messaging, and the condescension.

I'm not put off by the players at all. I'm just saying that there have been no players on the team the past few years that are going to excite the casual fan. There are no "must see" players. Hopefully that turns around quickly.

For me, I don’t necessarily care who the players are. If the team is winning and dominating the division, that’s what makes it fun. I don’t need to see a McGwire hitting a ton of homers on a team with no chance of doing anything.

Principal1 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:39 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:37 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:45 pm Oh boy...

Another hurdle in the path of the St Louis Cardinals hopes of returning to success.

The Cardinals have to realize that tanking is not the best time to renegotiate a long term TV deal, right?

Carrier: So what are your viewership numbers?

Cardinals: Well we decided to make it difficult to watch our games in many markets and we let the STL media run wild with a narrative that the Cardinals have been downright awful for 10 years (2016-2025) and we can never win again even though we have won 52.3% of our games which is 10th best in MLB since the end of our 5 year run as the best team in MLB from 2011-2015.

Carrier: Why do we want to give you large sums of money if no one will be watching?

Cardinals: Can we sign an IOU for you? We've had a bad run of luck and don't expect to have a good product to watch for at least a couple more years.

I think the #1 factor contributing to recent fan apathy is that there are really no marketable or exciting players currently on the team. Which player would you even buy a jersey for right now?

Masyn Winn!

sdaltons wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:40 pm

WeeVikes wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:16 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:56 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:55 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:37 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:45 pm Oh boy...

Another hurdle in the path of the St Louis Cardinals hopes of returning to success.

The Cardinals have to realize that tanking is not the best time to renegotiate a long term TV deal, right?

Carrier: So what are your viewership numbers?

Cardinals: Well we decided to make it difficult to watch our games in many markets and we let the STL media run wild with a narrative that the Cardinals have been downright awful for 10 years (2016-2025) and we can never win again even though we have won 52.3% of our games which is 10th best in MLB since the end of our 5 year run as the best team in MLB from 2011-2015.

Carrier: Why do we want to give you large sums of money if no one will be watching?

Cardinals: Can we sign an IOU for you? We've had a bad run of luck and don't expect to have a good product to watch for at least a couple more years.

I think the #1 factor contributing to recent fan apathy is that there are really no marketable or exciting players currently on the team. Which player would you even buy a jersey for right now?

I can only speak for me, but I wasn't put off by the players as I was the utterly poor performance by the front office, the poor roster construction, the mixed messaging, and the condescension.

I'm not put off by the players at all. I'm just saying that there have been no players on the team the past few years that are going to excite the casual fan. There are no "must see" players. Hopefully that turns around quickly.

For me, I don’t necessarily care who the players are. If the team is winning and dominating the division, that’s what makes it fun. I don’t need to see a McGwire hitting a ton of homers on a team with no chance of doing anything.

McGwire was an obvious exception, but in general winning and dominating the division goes hand-in-hand with having some "must see" players.

juan good eye wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 18:01 pm Why the Cardinals continued down this path again and again is puzzling. Then again the path of least resistance…

Still they are one of the few mid market organizations with enough brand power imo create their own network.

To help spread cost partner with Blues which solves their broadcast issues and provides year round live content to subs.

Now that both teams have been blah for multiple years, thus hurting attendance and ratings — it will take even more cajones for ownership to get on board.

Absolut wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:13 pm https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/A ... l-to-dazn/

Could go under.

Principal1 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:39 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:37 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:45 pm Oh boy...

Another hurdle in the path of the St Louis Cardinals hopes of returning to success.

The Cardinals have to realize that tanking is not the best time to renegotiate a long term TV deal, right?

Carrier: So what are your viewership numbers?

Cardinals: Well we decided to make it difficult to watch our games in many markets and we let the STL media run wild with a narrative that the Cardinals have been downright awful for 10 years (2016-2025) and we can never win again even though we have won 52.3% of our games which is 10th best in MLB since the end of our 5 year run as the best team in MLB from 2011-2015.

Carrier: Why do we want to give you large sums of money if no one will be watching?

Cardinals: Can we sign an IOU for you? We've had a bad run of luck and don't expect to have a good product to watch for at least a couple more years.

I think the #1 factor contributing to recent fan apathy is that there are really no marketable or exciting players currently on the team. Which player would you even buy a jersey for right now?

Masyn Winn!

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:44 pm

sdaltons wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:40 pm

WeeVikes wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:16 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:56 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:55 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:37 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:45 pm Oh boy...

Another hurdle in the path of the St Louis Cardinals hopes of returning to success.

The Cardinals have to realize that tanking is not the best time to renegotiate a long term TV deal, right?

Carrier: So what are your viewership numbers?

Cardinals: Well we decided to make it difficult to watch our games in many markets and we let the STL media run wild with a narrative that the Cardinals have been downright awful for 10 years (2016-2025) and we can never win again even though we have won 52.3% of our games which is 10th best in MLB since the end of our 5 year run as the best team in MLB from 2011-2015.

Carrier: Why do we want to give you large sums of money if no one will be watching?

Cardinals: Can we sign an IOU for you? We've had a bad run of luck and don't expect to have a good product to watch for at least a couple more years.

I think the #1 factor contributing to recent fan apathy is that there are really no marketable or exciting players currently on the team. Which player would you even buy a jersey for right now?

I can only speak for me, but I wasn't put off by the players as I was the utterly poor performance by the front office, the poor roster construction, the mixed messaging, and the condescension.

I'm not put off by the players at all. I'm just saying that there have been no players on the team the past few years that are going to excite the casual fan. There are no "must see" players. Hopefully that turns around quickly.

For me, I don’t necessarily care who the players are. If the team is winning and dominating the division, that’s what makes it fun. I don’t need to see a McGwire hitting a ton of homers on a team with no chance of doing anything.

McGwire was an obvious exception, but in general winning and dominating the division goes hand-in-hand with having some "must see" players.

Exactly. There is just nobody on this roster that you get excited about to see at the plate. I'm hoping Wetherholt may be that guy for the future, but we will have to wait on that. Also, paging Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman to see if they still have a pulse.

bakker wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:31 pm Wonder what the odds on that was.

sdaltons wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:40 pm

WeeVikes wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:16 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:56 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:55 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 17:37 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 16:45 pm Oh boy...

Another hurdle in the path of the St Louis Cardinals hopes of returning to success.

The Cardinals have to realize that tanking is not the best time to renegotiate a long term TV deal, right?

Carrier: So what are your viewership numbers?

Cardinals: Well we decided to make it difficult to watch our games in many markets and we let the STL media run wild with a narrative that the Cardinals have been downright awful for 10 years (2016-2025) and we can never win again even though we have won 52.3% of our games which is 10th best in MLB since the end of our 5 year run as the best team in MLB from 2011-2015.

Carrier: Why do we want to give you large sums of money if no one will be watching?

Cardinals: Can we sign an IOU for you? We've had a bad run of luck and don't expect to have a good product to watch for at least a couple more years.

I think the #1 factor contributing to recent fan apathy is that there are really no marketable or exciting players currently on the team. Which player would you even buy a jersey for right now?

I can only speak for me, but I wasn't put off by the players as I was the utterly poor performance by the front office, the poor roster construction, the mixed messaging, and the condescension.

I'm not put off by the players at all. I'm just saying that there have been no players on the team the past few years that are going to excite the casual fan. There are no "must see" players. Hopefully that turns around quickly.

For me, I don’t necessarily care who the players are. If the team is winning and dominating the division, that’s what makes it fun. I don’t need to see a McGwire hitting a ton of homers on a team with no chance of doing anything.

McGwire was an obvious exception, but in general winning and dominating the division goes hand-in-hand with having some "must see" players.