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Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 13 Dec 2025 21:30 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:26 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:24 pm
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
Agree with this, and someone will pay that.
Yes, someone will.
That said, I would prefer going hard after Pages in LA.
I prefer a package of River Ryan and Mike Sirota from LA. The pitcher and hitter return people mention.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 13 Dec 2025 22:32 pm
by CrownRoyalCaramel
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 13 Dec 2025 22:53 pm
by BrockFloodMaris
CrownRoyalCaramel wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 22:32 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.
Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
by woofy25
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 04:47 am
by sikeston bulldog2
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Why.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 04:51 am
by woofy25
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:47 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Why.
Bc the Cardinals are already conceding they’re not contending in 2026. Nobody has any idea what happens in 2027 with the cba, and the cardinals probably aren’t competing for a ws then either. The longer you keep him the less value he has and the greater the chance he just walks away after his contract. Why is that a better alternative?
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 05:07 am
by sikeston bulldog2
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:51 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:47 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Why.
Bc the Cardinals are already conceding they’re not contending in 2026. Nobody has any idea what happens in 2027 with the cba, and the cardinals probably aren’t competing for a ws then either. The longer you keep him the less value he has and the greater the chance he just walks away after his contract. Why is that a better alternative?
Nice response. You make good points. If the cba was not looming, would your model change.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 08:50 am
by Talkin' Baseball
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 05:07 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:51 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:47 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Why.
Bc the Cardinals are already conceding they’re not contending in 2026. Nobody has any idea what happens in 2027 with the cba, and the cardinals probably aren’t competing for a ws then either. The longer you keep him the less value he has and the greater the chance he just walks away after his contract. Why is that a better alternative?
Nice response. You make good points. If the cba was not looming, would your model change.
Maybe some. If the CBA wasn't looming there might still be a reasonable market for Donovan next offseason if the Cardinals wanted to pursue that. However, if teams suspect they might play a shortened schedule, or not at all, there is no way they are parting with any young player of significance. As far a moving him at the trade deadline next year, will there be a trade deadline next year? If you have a significant player to move, now is the time.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 08:52 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 08:50 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 05:07 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:51 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:47 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Why.
Bc the Cardinals are already conceding they’re not contending in 2026. Nobody has any idea what happens in 2027 with the cba, and the cardinals probably aren’t competing for a ws then either. The longer you keep him the less value he has and the greater the chance he just walks away after his contract. Why is that a better alternative?
Nice response. You make good points. If the cba was not looming, would your model change.
Maybe some. If the CBA wasn't looming there might still be a reasonable market for Donovan next offseason if the Cardinals wanted to pursue that. However, if teams suspect they might play a shortened schedule, or not at all, there is no way they are parting with any young player of significance. As far a moving him at the trade deadline next year, will there be a trade deadline next year? If you have a significant player to move, now is the time.
Roger.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 08:54 am
by Melville
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Incorrect.
Why trade 2 years of Donvan for just one prospect who may provide zero quality MLB seasons in return?
That achieves nothing.
The CORRCET BASEBALL DECISION is to extend Donovan - but if the player rejects the extension or Bloom is simply incorrectly dead set on dealing him now, the return MUST include one young player who has already shown some level at success at the MLB level and a 2nd prospect piece.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 08:58 am
by Melville
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:51 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:47 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Why.
Bc the Cardinals are already conceding they’re not contending in 2026. Nobody has any idea what happens in 2027 with the cba, and the cardinals probably aren’t competing for a ws then either. The longer you keep him the less value he has and the greater the chance he just walks away after his contract. Why is that a better alternative?
You are assuming Bloom is willing to throw away the 2026 season and possibly 2027 as well.
That is a false assumption on your part.
It would be incredibly damaging to an already deeply wounded franchise.
Nieth Bloom nor DeWitt are quite that stupid.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 09:40 am
by 12xu
Melville wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 08:54 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Incorrect.
Why trade 2 years of Donvan for just one prospect who may provide zero quality MLB seasons in return?
That achieves nothing.
The CORRCET BASEBALL DECISION is to extend Donovan - but if the player rejects the extension or Bloom is simply incorrectly dead set on dealing him now, the return MUST include one young player who has already shown some level at success at the MLB level and a 2nd prospect piece.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
I agree. Bloom should not surrender the next two years of a player who plays multiple positions well and gives 100% effort every game. Donovan makes a very low salary now, and should be offered a solid extension for 2/3 years. If he does not accept it, trade him but only if the return is exceptional. Apparently there are many teams interested, so there is no reason to not take advantage of the situation.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 09:50 am
by Ozziesfan41
Melville wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 08:54 am
woofy25 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 04:45 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
Cusecards wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:37 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.
He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.
If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.
Incorrect.
Why trade 2 years of Donvan for just one prospect who may provide zero quality MLB seasons in return?
That achieves nothing.
The CORRCET BASEBALL DECISION is to extend Donovan - but if the player rejects the extension or Bloom is simply incorrectly dead set on dealing him now, the return MUST include one young player who has already shown some level at success at the MLB level and a 2nd prospect piece.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
lol you also said the correct baseball decision was to extend helsley for 5 years
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 11:00 am
by Shady
CrownRoyalCaramel wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 22:32 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.
And you are an "Add foe". Good riddance.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 11:02 am
by craviduce
Shady wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025 11:00 am
CrownRoyalCaramel wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 22:32 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.
And you are an "Add foe". Good riddance.
Re: MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners
Posted: 14 Dec 2025 11:03 am
by Shady
BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 22:53 pm
CrownRoyalCaramel wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 22:32 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.
You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.
Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.
It comes down to how many teams are interested in pursuing Donovan. I saw it may be as many as half the MLB teams.