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Mort Gage wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 13:34 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 13:25 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 11:53 am

Absolut wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 11:44 am Ok deepthroat

You are an Add foe. Bad attitude.

For those keeping score this is the 5th add foe from shady for me.

Ever watch SNL when someone gets a jacket for hosting for the fifth time and other five-time hosts give a mock welcome to the club? You earned your jacket, come on in.

zuck698 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 11:55 am

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 08:41 am According to my sources. Both would be good fits for the Mets.

This example right here is why you take so much flak from other posters! But of course you are well aware of that, as it fits into your narrative for the attention you are seeking here. Congrats on another successful example of doing just that! Figured out what your handle stands for.
S=Stupid
H=Harrassing
A=Alarmingly
D=Dumb
Y=Yapper

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 08:41 am According to my sources. Both would be good fits for the Mets.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:13 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 08:41 am According to my sources. Both would be good fits for the Mets.

If you cannot provide a link, spare us. Your lying schtick has not aged well.

zuck698 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 11:55 am

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 08:41 am According to my sources. Both would be good fits for the Mets.

This example right here is why you take so much flak from other posters! But of course you are well aware of that, as it fits into your narrative for the attention you are seeking here. Congrats on another successful example of doing just that! Figured out what your handle stands for.
S=Schizo
H=Harrassing
A=Alarmingly
D=Dumb
Y=Yapper

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 13:14 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:34 am

12xu wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:11 am They can get them both for Nolan McLean +..........but of course the Mets won't do that. How about Jonah Tong + EJ Ewing or Jett Williams? How about Brandon Sprout + Jacob Reimer? Go get 'em Chaim!!

I would take Tong (BTV +25. for Contreras (-14.1) and Nootbaar (+11.9) in a second, but the Mets would never do that.

Sometimes I have to take BTV with a grain of salt. In the case of Contreras I have to dismiss it altogether. I had a thread recently about whether his contract was really underwater. I compared his production to Josh Naylor who had just signed a contract for an AAV ever so slightly higher than Contreras. WC and JN were almost identical in every meaningful offensive category. Contreras plays better defense. While older, his contract is also shorter. BTV has a value of -2.8 for Josh Naylor and -14.9 for Contreras. With the Naylor signing being a fresh, market value signing (most believe he could have gotten more, but wanted to come back to Seattle), I take that to be the true market value for that level of production at that position, and would value Willson more closely to Naylor's value.

That said, if the Mets truly do have interest in both Nootbaar and Contreras, you should be able to send them along with 10M for a prospect like Carson Benge (would make Craviduce and I both very happy). Benge is the #21 prospect in baseball and should start the year at AAA. He seems likely to be ready for MLB before the season is over.

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:18 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 13:14 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:34 am

12xu wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:11 am They can get them both for Nolan McLean +..........but of course the Mets won't do that. How about Jonah Tong + EJ Ewing or Jett Williams? How about Brandon Sprout + Jacob Reimer? Go get 'em Chaim!!

I would take Tong (BTV +25. for Contreras (-14.1) and Nootbaar (+11.9) in a second, but the Mets would never do that.

Sometimes I have to take BTV with a grain of salt. In the case of Contreras I have to dismiss it altogether. I had a thread recently about whether his contract was really underwater. I compared his production to Josh Naylor who had just signed a contract for an AAV ever so slightly higher than Contreras. WC and JN were almost identical in every meaningful offensive category. Contreras plays better defense. While older, his contract is also shorter. BTV has a value of -2.8 for Josh Naylor and -14.9 for Contreras. With the Naylor signing being a fresh, market value signing (most believe he could have gotten more, but wanted to come back to Seattle), I take that to be the true market value for that level of production at that position, and would value Willson more closely to Naylor's value.

That said, if the Mets truly do have interest in both Nootbaar and Contreras, you should be able to send them along with 10M for a prospect like Carson Benge (would make Craviduce and I both very happy). Benge is the #21 prospect in baseball and should start the year at AAA. He seems likely to be ready for MLB before the season is over.

TB, with the Mets losing Diaz. They might be interested in obtaining Romero, too. How about Contreras (with 10M), Nootbaar and Romero in exchange for Benage and either Tong or Sproat? That would be a blockbuster that could help both organizations.

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:18 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 13:14 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:34 am

12xu wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:11 am They can get them both for Nolan McLean +..........but of course the Mets won't do that. How about Jonah Tong + EJ Ewing or Jett Williams? How about Brandon Sprout + Jacob Reimer? Go get 'em Chaim!!

I would take Tong (BTV +25. for Contreras (-14.1) and Nootbaar (+11.9) in a second, but the Mets would never do that.

Sometimes I have to take BTV with a grain of salt. In the case of Contreras I have to dismiss it altogether. I had a thread recently about whether his contract was really underwater. I compared his production to Josh Naylor who had just signed a contract for an AAV ever so slightly higher than Contreras. WC and JN were almost identical in every meaningful offensive category. Contreras plays better defense. While older, his contract is also shorter. BTV has a value of -2.8 for Josh Naylor and -14.9 for Contreras. With the Naylor signing being a fresh, market value signing (most believe he could have gotten more, but wanted to come back to Seattle), I take that to be the true market value for that level of production at that position, and would value Willson more closely to Naylor's value.

That said, if the Mets truly do have interest in both Nootbaar and Contreras, you should be able to send them along with 10M for a prospect like Carson Benge (would make Craviduce and I both very happy). Benge is the #21 prospect in baseball and should start the year at AAA. He seems likely to be ready for MLB before the season is over.

TB, with the Mets losing Diaz. They might be interested in obtaining Romero, too. How about Contreras (with 10M), Nootbaar and Romero in exchange for Benage and either Tong or Sproat? That would be a blockbuster that could help both organizations.

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:18 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 13:14 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:34 am

12xu wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:11 am They can get them both for Nolan McLean +..........but of course the Mets won't do that. How about Jonah Tong + EJ Ewing or Jett Williams? How about Brandon Sprout + Jacob Reimer? Go get 'em Chaim!!

I would take Tong (BTV +25. for Contreras (-14.1) and Nootbaar (+11.9) in a second, but the Mets would never do that.

Sometimes I have to take BTV with a grain of salt. In the case of Contreras I have to dismiss it altogether. I had a thread recently about whether his contract was really underwater. I compared his production to Josh Naylor who had just signed a contract for an AAV ever so slightly higher than Contreras. WC and JN were almost identical in every meaningful offensive category. Contreras plays better defense. While older, his contract is also shorter. BTV has a value of -2.8 for Josh Naylor and -14.9 for Contreras. With the Naylor signing being a fresh, market value signing (most believe he could have gotten more, but wanted to come back to Seattle), I take that to be the true market value for that level of production at that position, and would value Willson more closely to Naylor's value.

That said, if the Mets truly do have interest in both Nootbaar and Contreras, you should be able to send them along with 10M for a prospect like Carson Benge (would make Craviduce and I both very happy). Benge is the #21 prospect in baseball and should start the year at AAA. He seems likely to be ready for MLB before the season is over.

TB, with the Mets losing Diaz. They might be interested in obtaining Romero, too. How about Contreras (with 10M), Nootbaar and Romero in exchange for Benage and either Tong or Sproat? That would be a blockbuster that could help both organizations.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:18 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 13:14 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:34 am

12xu wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:11 am They can get them both for Nolan McLean +..........but of course the Mets won't do that. How about Jonah Tong + EJ Ewing or Jett Williams? How about Brandon Sprout + Jacob Reimer? Go get 'em Chaim!!

I would take Tong (BTV +25. for Contreras (-14.1) and Nootbaar (+11.9) in a second, but the Mets would never do that.

Sometimes I have to take BTV with a grain of salt. In the case of Contreras I have to dismiss it altogether. I had a thread recently about whether his contract was really underwater. I compared his production to Josh Naylor who had just signed a contract for an AAV ever so slightly higher than Contreras. WC and JN were almost identical in every meaningful offensive category. Contreras plays better defense. While older, his contract is also shorter. BTV has a value of -2.8 for Josh Naylor and -14.9 for Contreras. With the Naylor signing being a fresh, market value signing (most believe he could have gotten more, but wanted to come back to Seattle), I take that to be the true market value for that level of production at that position, and would value Willson more closely to Naylor's value.

That said, if the Mets truly do have interest in both Nootbaar and Contreras, you should be able to send them along with 10M for a prospect like Carson Benge (would make Craviduce and I both very happy). Benge is the #21 prospect in baseball and should start the year at AAA. He seems likely to be ready for MLB before the season is over.

TB, with the Mets losing Diaz. They might be interested in obtaining Romero, too. How about Contreras (with 10M), Nootbaar and Romero in exchange for Benage and either Tong or Sproat? That would be a blockbuster that could help both organizations.

Per BTV:

Contreras: -14.1
Nootbaar: 11.9
Romero: 1.3
Cash: 10
Total: 9.1

Benge: 23.3
Tong: 25.8
-or-
Sproat:22.4
Total: 45.7 - 49.1

craviduce wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:36 pm give him a break, he just learned who Benge was yesterday. Tong and Sproat today from reading other persons' posts. But, yes...file this under more "Shady Trade Nonsense"...."Two front of the rotation starters for Dylan Carlson"...circa 2023.

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:09 pm

zuck698 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 11:55 am

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 08:41 am According to my sources. Both would be good fits for the Mets.

This example right here is why you take so much flak from other posters! But of course you are well aware of that, as it fits into your narrative for the attention you are seeking here. Congrats on another successful example of doing just that! Figured out what your handle stands for.
S=Stupid
H=Harrassing
A=Alarmingly
D=Dumb
Y=Yapper

You are an "Add foe". Bad attitude.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:14 pm

zuck698 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 11:55 am

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 08:41 am According to my sources. Both would be good fits for the Mets.

This example right here is why you take so much flak from other posters! But of course you are well aware of that, as it fits into your narrative for the attention you are seeking here. Congrats on another successful example of doing just that! Figured out what your handle stands for.
S=Schizo
H=Harrassing
A=Alarmingly
D=Dumb
Y=Yapper

Fixed it for you.

craviduce wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:36 pm

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 14:18 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 13:14 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:34 am

12xu wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 09:11 am They can get them both for Nolan McLean +..........but of course the Mets won't do that. How about Jonah Tong + EJ Ewing or Jett Williams? How about Brandon Sprout + Jacob Reimer? Go get 'em Chaim!!

I would take Tong (BTV +25. for Contreras (-14.1) and Nootbaar (+11.9) in a second, but the Mets would never do that.

Sometimes I have to take BTV with a grain of salt. In the case of Contreras I have to dismiss it altogether. I had a thread recently about whether his contract was really underwater. I compared his production to Josh Naylor who had just signed a contract for an AAV ever so slightly higher than Contreras. WC and JN were almost identical in every meaningful offensive category. Contreras plays better defense. While older, his contract is also shorter. BTV has a value of -2.8 for Josh Naylor and -14.9 for Contreras. With the Naylor signing being a fresh, market value signing (most believe he could have gotten more, but wanted to come back to Seattle), I take that to be the true market value for that level of production at that position, and would value Willson more closely to Naylor's value.

That said, if the Mets truly do have interest in both Nootbaar and Contreras, you should be able to send them along with 10M for a prospect like Carson Benge (would make Craviduce and I both very happy). Benge is the #21 prospect in baseball and should start the year at AAA. He seems likely to be ready for MLB before the season is over.

TB, with the Mets losing Diaz. They might be interested in obtaining Romero, too. How about Contreras (with 10M), Nootbaar and Romero in exchange for Benage and either Tong or Sproat? That would be a blockbuster that could help both organizations.

Per BTV:

Contreras: -14.1
Nootbaar: 11.9
Romero: 1.3
Cash: 10
Total: 9.1

Benge: 23.3
Tong: 25.8
-or-
Sproat:22.4
Total: 45.7 - 49.1

give him a break, he just learned who Benge was yesterday. Tong and Sproat today from reading other persons' posts. But, yes...file this under more "Shady Trade Nonsense"...."Two front of the rotation starters for Dylan Carlson"...circa 2023.