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Bomber1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 10:58 am

Whatashame wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 10:36 am Look, if Herrera is willing to work on his game to make himself a better player then that’s a good thing, right. Maybe he will suck or maybe he will come back as a better player. I don’t see him as an OFer and 1B is a little crowded right now. Maybe Bloom has a point and Herrera didn’t get much help in our system.

The cardinals have numerous catchers.

They need and have needed a RH hitting outfielder.

Herrera should play LF. Easier on his body, no need to worry about trying to throw out base stealers.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 11:47 am So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

Whatashame wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:01 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 10:58 am

Whatashame wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 10:36 am Look, if Herrera is willing to work on his game to make himself a better player then that’s a good thing, right. Maybe he will suck or maybe he will come back as a better player. I don’t see him as an OFer and 1B is a little crowded right now. Maybe Bloom has a point and Herrera didn’t get much help in our system.

The cardinals have numerous catchers.

They need and have needed a RH hitting outfielder.

Herrera should play LF. Easier on his body, no need to worry about trying to throw out base stealers.

Except he has never played the outfield until the Cardinals put him out there last year. He has been a catcher and still wants to be a catcher. He’s willing to work on his game to be a better catcher.

Personally, I don’t think he’s an outfielder and I don’t think he wants to be an outfielder. Bloom and company want to work with him to be a better catcher and he’s willing to put in the time to try and be a better catcher. Sounds like a win/win to me.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:58 pm

Whatashame wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:01 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 10:58 am

Whatashame wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 10:36 am Look, if Herrera is willing to work on his game to make himself a better player then that’s a good thing, right. Maybe he will suck or maybe he will come back as a better player. I don’t see him as an OFer and 1B is a little crowded right now. Maybe Bloom has a point and Herrera didn’t get much help in our system.

The cardinals have numerous catchers.

They need and have needed a RH hitting outfielder.

Herrera should play LF. Easier on his body, no need to worry about trying to throw out base stealers.

Except he has never played the outfield until the Cardinals put him out there last year. He has been a catcher and still wants to be a catcher. He’s willing to work on his game to be a better catcher.

Personally, I don’t think he’s an outfielder and I don’t think he wants to be an outfielder. Bloom and company want to work with him to be a better catcher and he’s willing to put in the time to try and be a better catcher. Sounds like a win/win to me.

Only if he becomes a better catcher.

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 11:12 am Now it’s being reported that Ivan is going to play for Panama in the WBC! I’m not really surprised by this, he is one of the best players from there, but it’s got to really hurt his development and his chances of being the Cardinals’ opening day catcher. I like the WBC, but the timing of it stinks.

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 11:12 am Now it’s being reported that Ivan is going to play for Panama in the WBC! I’m not really surprised by this, he is one of the best players from there, but it’s got to really hurt his development and his chances of being the Cardinals’ opening day catcher. I like the WBC, but the timing of it stinks.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:40 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:04 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:40 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:04 am From Ben Hochman's article this morning. Bloom says he isn't ripping anybody but then rips. So good to know that he gets it. Talking about Herrera returning to the catcher position.


"Two, and these are Chaim Bloom’s words, but: “When you look at the entirety of his career, I'm not sure he was ever really set up for success at that position because of a number of factors. And that's not a negative or taking shots at anybody. Some of it's just about the state of the organization — what else is available at the position internally, where you might not get that fair shot, and yet you're being asked to perform in the big leagues, and so you're not in a pure teaching environment, either. …

“I just think this we haven't done everything yet that we should be doing to support him as a young catcher. And we have a chance to play catch-up on that now, and it seemed to me to be something worth doing.”"

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:08 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:04 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:40 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

Whatashame wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:01 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 10:58 am

Whatashame wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 10:36 am Look, if Herrera is willing to work on his game to make himself a better player then that’s a good thing, right. Maybe he will suck or maybe he will come back as a better player. I don’t see him as an OFer and 1B is a little crowded right now. Maybe Bloom has a point and Herrera didn’t get much help in our system.

The cardinals have numerous catchers.

They need and have needed a RH hitting outfielder.

Herrera should play LF. Easier on his body, no need to worry about trying to throw out base stealers.

Except he has never played the outfield until the Cardinals put him out there last year. He has been a catcher and still wants to be a catcher. He’s willing to work on his game to be a better catcher.

Personally, I don’t think he’s an outfielder and I don’t think he wants to be an outfielder. Bloom and company want to work with him to be a better catcher and he’s willing to put in the time to try and be a better catcher. Sounds like a win/win to me.