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I had the same thought regarding Bonds not making it. Looks like they are united against the more suspect rhoiders.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 19:31 pmYes he should probably be in. He’s one of the best hitting second baseman of all time and it’s also hilarious that he got in and that probably makes bonds who he had a feud with and got left out of the hall of fame even angrier
Agree I think also since bonds only got 5 votes he won’t be eligible again until 2031 he can’t be voted on in 2028 that’s good hope and Clemens and Sosa and McGwire never get inMIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:28 pmI had the same thought regarding Bonds not making it. Looks like they are united against the more suspect rhoiders.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 19:31 pmYes he should probably be in. He’s one of the best hitting second baseman of all time and it’s also hilarious that he got in and that probably makes bonds who he had a feud with and got left out of the hall of fame even angrier
This was an "era committee" election or something. The typical vote from the BBWAA on more recently retired players is announced on January 20.
Real shame though that Mattingly and Murphy only got 6 votes each! There must be some really stupid people on that committee!PanamaCardFan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:35 pmThis was an "era committee" election or something. The typical vote from the BBWAA on more recently retired players is announced on January 20.
He has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.1983cougar wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:01 pm I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.
I have concerns the new rules introduced this year will put the final nail in Boyer never making it. Hoping I am wrong.
377 home runs is pretty impressive for a position that is not a power position. His other numbers are good but I will stand by my OPINION that while he was a very good player that doesn't necessarily make him a Hall of famer. I can see how some people see him as a hof player.ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 22:23 pmHe has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.1983cougar wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:01 pm I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.
Kent played 17 years. He had 560 doubles, 377 HRs and nearly 2500 hits.1983cougar wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 23:08 pm377 home runs is pretty impressive for a position that is not a power position. His other numbers are good but I will stand by my OPINION that while he was a very good player that doesn't necessarily make him a Hall of famer. I can see how some people see him as a hof player.ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 22:23 pmHe has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.1983cougar wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:01 pm I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.
+1 people are comparing him to other hall of famers and not other second baseman that’s a mistakeecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 23:28 pmKent played 17 years. He had 560 doubles, 377 HRs and nearly 2500 hits.1983cougar wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 23:08 pm377 home runs is pretty impressive for a position that is not a power position. His other numbers are good but I will stand by my OPINION that while he was a very good player that doesn't necessarily make him a Hall of famer. I can see how some people see him as a hof player.ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 22:23 pmHe has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.1983cougar wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:01 pm I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.
If Kent were a lifetime Cardinal player, he would be celebrated as one of the greatest Cardinals ever, and many would be saying he should be in the HOF.
"He doesn't have the counting stats'"ggnoobs wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 19:20 pm The bar gets lower every year. He doesn't have the counting stats or the rate stats. 123 OPS+ is not HoF worthy. 55 war is good but not great by any means. If he's in then Goldy is slam dunk first ballot as he has 65+ war and OPS+ 10 points higher.
I like a world where Goldy is borderline.
No, he would be regarded as a player whose numbers were inflated by his use of PED's, just like McGwire.ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 23:28 pmKent played 17 years. He had 560 doubles, 377 HRs and nearly 2500 hits.1983cougar wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 23:08 pm377 home runs is pretty impressive for a position that is not a power position. His other numbers are good but I will stand by my OPINION that while he was a very good player that doesn't necessarily make him a Hall of famer. I can see how some people see him as a hof player.ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 22:23 pmHe has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.1983cougar wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:01 pm I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.
If Kent were a lifetime Cardinal player, he would be celebrated as one of the greatest Cardinals ever, and many would be saying he should be in the HOF.
The bar HAS to get lower every year. It has for the past 75 years. Can't compare present stars to players like Dimahgio, Williams, and Musial. To keep interest in actually visiting the HOF, today's generation needs to see players they watched get inducted. By using old time stats as a measuring stick, there wouldn't be an induction until Albert is eligible.ggnoobs wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 19:20 pm The bar gets lower every year. He doesn't have the counting stats or the rate stats. 123 OPS+ is not HoF worthy. 55 war is good but not great by any means. If he's in then Goldy is slam dunk first ballot as he has 65+ war and OPS+ 10 points higher.
I like a world where Goldy is borderline.
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 22:21 pmReal shame though that Mattingly and Murphy only got 6 votes each! There must be some really stupid people on that committee!PanamaCardFan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:35 pmThis was an "era committee" election or something. The typical vote from the BBWAA on more recently retired players is announced on January 20.
They could only vote for three players, though, so that in itself was not very smart, in my book. If you think a player deserves to get in, you should be able to vote for him, not have to pick and choose only three.
Kent: 123 wRC+, 377 HRs, 1,518 RBI, 2,461 hits, played 2B, 56 fWARHoosier59 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 22:21 pmReal shame though that Mattingly and Murphy only got 6 votes each! There must be some really stupid people on that committee!PanamaCardFan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:35 pmThis was an "era committee" election or something. The typical vote from the BBWAA on more recently retired players is announced on January 20.
They could only vote for three players, though, so that in itself was not very smart, in my book. If you think a player deserves to get in, you should be able to vote for him, not have to pick and choose only three.