Jeff Kent HOF

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

He's got some very good numbers as a second baseman, I'm good with this selection.

What say you?

Yes he should probably be in. He’s one of the best hitting second baseman of all time and it’s also hilarious that he got in and that probably makes bonds who he had a feud with and got left out of the hall of fame even angrier

I had the same thought regarding Bonds not making it. Looks like they are united against the more suspect rhoiders.

[Ozziesfan41]

He's got some very good numbers as a second baseman, I'm good with this selection.

What say you?

Yes he should probably be in. He’s one of the best hitting second baseman of all time and it’s also hilarious that he got in and that probably makes bonds who he had a feud with and got left out of the hall of fame even angrier

I had the same thought regarding Bonds not making it. Looks like they are united against the more suspect rhoiders.

Agree I think also since bonds only got 5 votes he won’t be eligible again until 2031 he can’t be voted on in 2028 that’s good hope and Clemens and Sosa and McGwire never get in

[PanamaCardFan]

At least they only let one in this year.

This was an "era committee" election or something. The typical vote from the BBWAA on more recently retired players is announced on January 20.

[Hoosier59]

At least they only let one in this year.

This was an "era committee" election or something. The typical vote from the BBWAA on more recently retired players is announced on January 20.

Real shame though that Mattingly and Murphy only got 6 votes each! There must be some really stupid people on that committee!
They could only vote for three players, though, so that in itself was not very smart, in my book. If you think a player deserves to get in, you should be able to vote for him, not have to pick and choose only three.

[ecleme22]

I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.

He has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.

[scoutyjones2]

He's no Lou Whitaker

[Stlcardsblues]

He's got some very good numbers as a second baseman, I'm good with this selection.

What say you?

I say it should be Ken Boyer

I have concerns the new rules introduced this year will put the final nail in Boyer never making it. Hoping I am wrong.

[1983cougar]

I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.

He has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.

377 home runs is pretty impressive for a position that is not a power position. His other numbers are good but I will stand by my OPINION that while he was a very good player that doesn't necessarily make him a Hall of famer. I can see how some people see him as a hof player.

[ecleme22]

I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.

He has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.

377 home runs is pretty impressive for a position that is not a power position. His other numbers are good but I will stand by my OPINION that while he was a very good player that doesn't necessarily make him a Hall of famer. I can see how some people see him as a hof player.

Kent played 17 years. He had 560 doubles, 377 HRs and nearly 2500 hits.

If Kent were a lifetime Cardinal player, he would be celebrated as one of the greatest Cardinals ever, and many would be saying he should be in the HOF.

[Ozziesfan41]

I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.

He has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.

377 home runs is pretty impressive for a position that is not a power position. His other numbers are good but I will stand by my OPINION that while he was a very good player that doesn't necessarily make him a Hall of famer. I can see how some people see him as a hof player.

Kent played 17 years. He had 560 doubles, 377 HRs and nearly 2500 hits.

If Kent were a lifetime Cardinal player, he would be celebrated as one of the greatest Cardinals ever, and many would be saying he should be in the HOF.

+1 people are comparing him to other hall of famers and not other second baseman that’s a mistake

[Swuhgen]

The bar gets lower every year. He doesn't have the counting stats or the rate stats. 123 OPS+ is not HoF worthy. 55 war is good but not great by any means. If he's in then Goldy is slam dunk first ballot as he has 65+ war and OPS+ 10 points higher.

I like a world where Goldy is borderline.

"He doesn't have the counting stats'"

What?

And Kent didn't get in after 10 years of being on the writer's ballot.
So, no, Goldy is not a first ballot slam dunk because Kent got in by the Veteran's Committee.

[12xu]

I'm old school and I think he was a very good player but the hof should be for the elite. I really don't care what the metrics say in my opinion, and its just that, he just doesn't pass the eye test for the hof. I agree with those that say that the bar has been lowered.

He has the most hr all time as a 2b. That’s not metric-y insider baseball.

377 home runs is pretty impressive for a position that is not a power position. His other numbers are good but I will stand by my OPINION that while he was a very good player that doesn't necessarily make him a Hall of famer. I can see how some people see him as a hof player.

Kent played 17 years. He had 560 doubles, 377 HRs and nearly 2500 hits.

If Kent were a lifetime Cardinal player, he would be celebrated as one of the greatest Cardinals ever, and many would be saying he should be in the HOF.

No, he would be regarded as a player whose numbers were inflated by his use of PED's, just like McGwire.

[RamFan08NY]

The bar gets lower every year. He doesn't have the counting stats or the rate stats. 123 OPS+ is not HoF worthy. 55 war is good but not great by any means. If he's in then Goldy is slam dunk first ballot as he has 65+ war and OPS+ 10 points higher.

I like a world where Goldy is borderline.

The bar HAS to get lower every year. It has for the past 75 years. Can't compare present stars to players like Dimahgio, Williams, and Musial. To keep interest in actually visiting the HOF, today's generation needs to see players they watched get inducted. By using old time stats as a measuring stick, there wouldn't be an induction until Albert is eligible.

[2ninr]

Always rumored to be a real jerk.

[PadsFS07]

At least they only let one in this year.

This was an "era committee" election or something. The typical vote from the BBWAA on more recently retired players is announced on January 20.

Real shame though that Mattingly and Murphy only got 6 votes each! There must be some really stupid people on that committee!
They could only vote for three players, though, so that in itself was not very smart, in my book. If you think a player deserves to get in, you should be able to vote for him, not have to pick and choose only three.

Ozzie is on the committee haha

[rbirules]

At least they only let one in this year.

This was an "era committee" election or something. The typical vote from the BBWAA on more recently retired players is announced on January 20.

Real shame though that Mattingly and Murphy only got 6 votes each! There must be some really stupid people on that committee!
They could only vote for three players, though, so that in itself was not very smart, in my book. If you think a player deserves to get in, you should be able to vote for him, not have to pick and choose only three.

Kent: 123 wRC+, 377 HRs, 1,518 RBI, 2,461 hits, played 2B, 56 fWAR
Don: 124 wRC+, 222 HRs, 1,099 RBI, 2,153 hits, played 1B, 40.7 fWAR

In what world is Mattingly even close to HOF material? He had a similar rate stats to Kent, but his counting stats are way less and he played a position where the bar for offense is as high as it gets while Kent played 2B and his stats are among the best all time at that position. Mattingly was lucky to get six votes.