Jeter Downs

[Ronnie Dobbs]

We should have signed Mike Hampton or Chris Davis or Anthony Rendon or Robinson Cano or Barry Zito or Andruw Jones.

All highly rated free agents that were signed and panned out.

[C-Unit]

We should have signed Mike Hampton or Chris Davis or Anthony Rendon or Robinson Cano or Barry Zito or Andruw Jones.

All highly rated free agents that were signed and panned out.

And traded for Evan Longoria. If he did that right there, I would have been reassured for life that MO and BDW cared about us fans.

[ScotchMIrish]

2017 Reds draft pick #32 overall. #7 in the Reds system when he was traded to the Dodgers. #2 in the Dodgers system and #44 prospect in MLB when he was traded to the Red Sox as part of the Betts/Price deal.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... wns-000jet

Total of 6 MLB hits and spent the last 2 seasons in Japan.

The other player of note the Red Sox got was Verdugo who had some good years. At one point #1 in the Dodgers system. Never an all star but a good player who has tapered off over the last 2 seasons.

These rebuilds are not automatic. Not all highly rated prospects pan out as Bloom found out with Jeter Downs.

As J. Denton said in his column:

"... the Cardinals now find themselves squarely in rebuild mode -- an often-trying process that guarantees a team nothing in terms of length or heartache throughout the Cardinals now find themselves squarely in rebuild mode"

Unfortunately due to BDWJr's mismanagement and Mo's ineptness the re-build has become a necessity that never needed to happen w/proper leadership.

Let's hope C. Bloom is the exception and gets it right but he'll need strong payroll support from Dewitt to get the Cardinals back to being a serious contender.

No team can contend w/o signing quality free agents and acquiring them via trade.

And, if one is just going to assume this FO is going to be "inept" at this rebuild by being unable to obtain enough of the right prospects as part of this process, you should assume they would be just as "inept" in evaluating talent by trying to obtain it other ways and also fail.

Huh?

I said MO was the inept one.

Bloom evaluations/trades he made in Boston look pretty d a m n good, actually great:

-Nick Pivetta for Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree

How about the time he stole:

-TGKS for Aldo Ramirez

Maybe you've forget he also acquired:

-Wilver Abreu for Christian Vazquez

Mozeliak and his minor league staff - many of whom are now coaching in St Louis - were inept at evaluating their own talent. DeWitt Jr was pressuring Mozeliak to trade prospects for veterans to stay in the playoffs. Mozeliak's failure was improperly evaluating and developing his own prospects.

I'm not trashing Bloom. Just stating reality. If his trades were great why was he fired?

I think Boston ownership is pretty impulsive and bipolar. Bloom did not get a fair shake and it doesn't require too much reading between the lines to see that.

Perhaps but DeWitt Jr was the reason we traded to future top notch starting pitchers for 2 years of Ozuna. He fired Matheny who never had a losing season because he wanted to make the playoffs. Mozeliak was under pressure.

Not making excuses for the poor development of the minor league system but that did happen.

[Stlcardsblues]

2017 Reds draft pick #32 overall. #7 in the Reds system when he was traded to the Dodgers. #2 in the Dodgers system and #44 prospect in MLB when he was traded to the Red Sox as part of the Betts/Price deal.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... wns-000jet

Total of 6 MLB hits and spent the last 2 seasons in Japan.

The other player of note the Red Sox got was Verdugo who had some good years. At one point #1 in the Dodgers system. Never an all star but a good player who has tapered off over the last 2 seasons.

These rebuilds are not automatic. Not all highly rated prospects pan out as Bloom found out with Jeter Downs.

Predicting the future, when it comes to baseball prospects or anything else, is an inexact science.

Who would have guessed?

There are some savants around here that fancy themselves as 100% correct at predicting the future of baseball prospects.

No one can predict what a prospect will become, but it’s way to short sighted to give up on a prospect until the later of three years or age 26.

[Stlcardsblues]

2017 Reds draft pick #32 overall. #7 in the Reds system when he was traded to the Dodgers. #2 in the Dodgers system and #44 prospect in MLB when he was traded to the Red Sox as part of the Betts/Price deal.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... wns-000jet

Total of 6 MLB hits and spent the last 2 seasons in Japan.

The other player of note the Red Sox got was Verdugo who had some good years. At one point #1 in the Dodgers system. Never an all star but a good player who has tapered off over the last 2 seasons.

These rebuilds are not automatic. Not all highly rated prospects pan out as Bloom found out with Jeter Downs.

As J. Denton said in his column:

"... the Cardinals now find themselves squarely in rebuild mode -- an often-trying process that guarantees a team nothing in terms of length or heartache throughout the Cardinals now find themselves squarely in rebuild mode"

Unfortunately due to BDWJr's mismanagement and Mo's ineptness the re-build has become a necessity that never needed to happen w/proper leadership.

Let's hope C. Bloom is the exception and gets it right but he'll need strong payroll support from Dewitt to get the Cardinals back to being a serious contender.

No team can contend w/o signing quality free agents and acquiring them via trade.

And, if one is just going to assume this FO is going to be "inept" at this rebuild by being unable to obtain enough of the right prospects as part of this process, you should assume they would be just as "inept" in evaluating talent by trying to obtain it other ways and also fail.

Huh?

I said MO was the inept one.

Bloom evaluations/trades he made in Boston look pretty d a m n good, actually great:

-Nick Pivetta for Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree

How about the time he stole:

-TGKS for Aldo Ramirez

Maybe you've forget he also acquired:

-Wilver Abreu for Christian Vazquez

Mozeliak and his minor league staff - many of whom are now coaching in St Louis - were inept at evaluating their own talent. DeWitt Jr was pressuring Mozeliak to trade prospects for veterans to stay in the playoffs. Mozeliak's failure was improperly evaluating and developing his own prospects.

I'm not trashing Bloom. Just stating reality. If his trades were great why was he fired?

I think Boston ownership is pretty impulsive and bipolar. Bloom did not get a fair shake and it doesn't require too much reading between the lines to see that.

Perhaps but DeWitt Jr was the reason we traded to future top notch starting pitchers for 2 years of Ozuna. He fired Matheny who never had a losing season because he wanted to make the playoffs. Mozeliak was under pressure.

Not making excuses for the poor development of the minor league system but that did happen.

The death of OT pushed Mo into a panic bad trade for Heyward and a continued cycle of poor decisions to replace the production they thought OT was going to provide. Ozuna was one of those bad trades. There were red flags all over the Ozuna trade and Mo was once again exposed for his inability to evaluate talent.

[ScotchMIrish]

2017 Reds draft pick #32 overall. #7 in the Reds system when he was traded to the Dodgers. #2 in the Dodgers system and #44 prospect in MLB when he was traded to the Red Sox as part of the Betts/Price deal.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... wns-000jet

Total of 6 MLB hits and spent the last 2 seasons in Japan.

The other player of note the Red Sox got was Verdugo who had some good years. At one point #1 in the Dodgers system. Never an all star but a good player who has tapered off over the last 2 seasons.

These rebuilds are not automatic. Not all highly rated prospects pan out as Bloom found out with Jeter Downs.

As J. Denton said in his column:

"... the Cardinals now find themselves squarely in rebuild mode -- an often-trying process that guarantees a team nothing in terms of length or heartache throughout the Cardinals now find themselves squarely in rebuild mode"

Unfortunately due to BDWJr's mismanagement and Mo's ineptness the re-build has become a necessity that never needed to happen w/proper leadership.

Let's hope C. Bloom is the exception and gets it right but he'll need strong payroll support from Dewitt to get the Cardinals back to being a serious contender.

No team can contend w/o signing quality free agents and acquiring them via trade.

And, if one is just going to assume this FO is going to be "inept" at this rebuild by being unable to obtain enough of the right prospects as part of this process, you should assume they would be just as "inept" in evaluating talent by trying to obtain it other ways and also fail.

Huh?

I said MO was the inept one.

Bloom evaluations/trades he made in Boston look pretty d a m n good, actually great:

-Nick Pivetta for Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree

How about the time he stole:

-TGKS for Aldo Ramirez

Maybe you've forget he also acquired:

-Wilver Abreu for Christian Vazquez

Mozeliak and his minor league staff - many of whom are now coaching in St Louis - were inept at evaluating their own talent. DeWitt Jr was pressuring Mozeliak to trade prospects for veterans to stay in the playoffs. Mozeliak's failure was improperly evaluating and developing his own prospects.

I'm not trashing Bloom. Just stating reality. If his trades were great why was he fired?

I think Boston ownership is pretty impulsive and bipolar. Bloom did not get a fair shake and it doesn't require too much reading between the lines to see that.

Perhaps but DeWitt Jr was the reason we traded to future top notch starting pitchers for 2 years of Ozuna. He fired Matheny who never had a losing season because he wanted to make the playoffs. Mozeliak was under pressure.

Not making excuses for the poor development of the minor league system but that did happen.

The death of OT pushed Mo into a panic bad trade for Heyward and a continued cycle of poor decisions to replace the production they thought OT was going to provide. Ozuna was one of those bad trades. There were red flags all over the Ozuna trade and Mo was once again exposed for his inability to evaluate talent.

Partly true but DeWitt firing Matheny who never had a losing season was the clue we needed to what DeWitt Jr was pressuring Mozeliak to do. That shortsighted view combined with a poor development system in the minors landed us where we are today. We are now getting revenue sharing.