Why would Contreras want to stay?

[Mort Gage]

He would feel sorry for JJ, Masyn, and Saggese/Norman...all those good and/or close throws. He'd feel compelled to return, to ensure those throws become outs.

Contreras is a selfless human being.

We often disagree. This is another one. There wouldn't be a let down on the concern you mention. Burleson is very good at digging out errant short hops. As well as making stretches to help infielders throws out.

I wasn't talking about Burleson. And this thread wasn't either.

Your 2nd post under your own thread, you hijacked immediately....be a GOOD FAITH troll for once. Post the intent in the thread title... you don't even need to make it wordy. Just type "Burley". At least you'd be honest for a change.

Sigh

This is a Burleson thread, albeit a backdoor one. He's using Contreras as a pretext to switch the discussion to Burleson, without explicitly mentioning him in the title. To him everything comes back to Burleson, the sun around which all things Cardinal revolve.

So what? Why are you bothered by that? Knowing you, you were likely pizzed that Burleson won the Silver Slugger Award. I know how you operate, too.

I wasn't angry about it. I just think Utility Silver Slugger is meaningless. Be honest. If you want Burleson discussion #6497 then just name him in the title. No need to be cute and create a pretext to turn discussion toward your hero.

[Ozziesfan41]

With Gray gone and if Donovan, Arenado and, possibly, Nootbaar are traded. The tone I sense, is that Bloom would also like to move Contreras as part of the rebuild.

There have been a lot of quotes directly from him on why he would like to stay but there have been reports hes more open to a trade now for the right fit but i havent heard any reports on what he would consider the right fit

he's a good RHB, would bring balance to a heavy LHB lineup. And stabilize 1B. It's only 2 more seasons, relatively cheap price. Love the passion.

Oh I am big fan of Contreras and dont understand a lot of the hate he gets. I would definitely not hate on a player because they love the cardinals and wants to stay here but if Bloom gets an offer he and Contreras both like and trades him i get that too

[Shady]

With Gray gone and if Donovan, Arenado and, possibly, Nootbaar are traded. The tone I sense, is that Bloom would also like to move Contreras as part of the rebuild.

There have been a lot of quotes directly from him on why he would like to stay but there have been reports hes more open to a trade now for the right fit but i havent heard any reports on what he would consider the right fit

he's a good RHB, would bring balance to a heavy LHB lineup. And stabilize 1B. It's only 2 more seasons, relatively cheap price. Love the passion.

I'm neutral on not trading Contreras. But not trading him doesn't seem to fit the re-build objective.

[Shady]

He would feel sorry for JJ, Masyn, and Saggese/Norman...all those good and/or close throws. He'd feel compelled to return, to ensure those throws become outs.

Contreras is a selfless human being.

We often disagree. This is another one. There wouldn't be a let down on the concern you mention. Burleson is very good at digging out errant short hops. As well as making stretches to help infielders throws out.

I wasn't talking about Burleson. And this thread wasn't either.

Your 2nd post under your own thread, you hijacked immediately....be a GOOD FAITH troll for once. Post the intent in the thread title... you don't even need to make it wordy. Just type "Burley". At least you'd be honest for a change.

Sigh

This is a Burleson thread, albeit a backdoor one. He's using Contreras as a pretext to switch the discussion to Burleson, without explicitly mentioning him in the title. To him everything comes back to Burleson, the sun around which all things Cardinal revolve.

So what? Why are you bothered by that? Knowing you, you were likely pizzed that Burleson won the Silver Slugger Award. I know how you operate, too.

I wasn't angry about it. I just think Utility Silver Slugger is meaningless. Be honest. If you want Burleson discussion #6497 then just name him in the title. No need to be cute and create a pretext to turn discussion toward your hero.

Relax. The OP is a legit topic. And so is a mention within the thread of potential successor at 1B if Contreras is traded.

[Shady]

With Gray gone and if Donovan, Arenado and, possibly, Nootbaar are traded. The tone I sense, is that Bloom would also like to move Contreras as part of the rebuild.

There have been a lot of quotes directly from him on why he would like to stay but there have been reports hes more open to a trade now for the right fit but i havent heard any reports on what he would consider the right fit

he's a good RHB, would bring balance to a heavy LHB lineup. And stabilize 1B. It's only 2 more seasons, relatively cheap price. Love the passion.

I do like the RHB factor. With some power for the lineup.

[NYCardsFan]

He would feel sorry for JJ, Masyn, and Saggese/Norman...all those good and/or close throws. He'd feel compelled to return, to ensure those throws become outs.

Contreras is a selfless human being.

We often disagree. This is another one. There wouldn't be a let down on the concern you mention. Burleson is very good at digging out errant short hops. As well as making stretches to help infielders throws out.

I wasn't talking about Burleson. And this thread wasn't either.

Your 2nd post under your own thread, you hijacked immediately....be a GOOD FAITH troll for once. Post the intent in the thread title... you don't even need to make it wordy. Just type "Burley". At least you'd be honest for a change.

Sigh

This is a Burleson thread, albeit a backdoor one. He's using Contreras as a pretext to switch the discussion to Burleson, without explicitly mentioning him in the title. To him everything comes back to Burleson, the sun around which all things Cardinal revolve.

Have to disagree with you and crav on this one. This is an "attention" thread (like they all are)--both Contreras AND Burleson are pretexts.

[Shady]

He would feel sorry for JJ, Masyn, and Saggese/Norman...all those good and/or close throws. He'd feel compelled to return, to ensure those throws become outs.

Contreras is a selfless human being.

We often disagree. This is another one. There wouldn't be a let down on the concern you mention. Burleson is very good at digging out errant short hops. As well as making stretches to help infielders throws out.

I wasn't talking about Burleson. And this thread wasn't either.

Your 2nd post under your own thread, you hijacked immediately....be a GOOD FAITH troll for once. Post the intent in the thread title... you don't even need to make it wordy. Just type "Burley". At least you'd be honest for a change.

Sigh

This is a Burleson thread, albeit a backdoor one. He's using Contreras as a pretext to switch the discussion to Burleson, without explicitly mentioning him in the title. To him everything comes back to Burleson, the sun around which all things Cardinal revolve.

Have to disagree with you and crav on this one. This is an "attention" thread (like they all are)--both Contreras AND Burleson are pretexts.

The Grudge reappears. You you a sad one. And why is it that you continue to feed my alleged desire for attention? Seems like the better thing for a concerned guy like you would be to just ignore. You just thrive on being a trouble-maker. Shameful behavior.

[ramfandan]

With Gray gone and if Donovan, Arenado and, possibly, Nootbaar are traded. The tone I sense, is that Bloom would also like to move Contreras as part of the rebuild.

There have been a lot of quotes directly from him on why he would like to stay but there have been reports hes more open to a trade now for the right fit but i havent heard any reports on what he would consider the right fit

I thought Contreras ‘I would like to stay’ was a bit overblown. Even in that first report Contreras mentioned that Bloom discussed the possibility of trade.
Saying you would like to stay keeps the fans on your side. Imagine if Contreras had said ‘due to the rebuild, I prefer to be traded !
Oh boy.. some fans would say trade the guy ..he rather not play here, etc. So I think Contreras took the safe way..keep the fans loving you while privately being very willing to go elsewhere.

[Red7]

If the Yankees don’t get Alonzo, they could pivot to Contreras. He proved he could play 1B and would slot in well either in front or behind Soto.

[Cusecards]

Perhaps Contreras would enjoy the opportunity to potentially play on an emerging team of younger guys?
Personally I could play almost anywhere if I was making $18M!

[Bomber1]

He would feel sorry for JJ, Masyn, and Saggese/Norman...all those good and/or close throws. He'd feel compelled to return, to ensure those throws become outs.

Contreras is a selfless human being.

We often disagree. This is another one. There wouldn't be a let down on the concern you mention. Burleson is very good at digging out errant short hops. As well as making stretches to help infielders throws out.

I wasn't talking about Burleson. And this thread wasn't either.

Your 2nd post under your own thread, you hijacked immediately....be a GOOD FAITH troll for once. Post the intent in the thread title... you don't even need to make it wordy. Just type "Burley". At least you'd be honest for a change.

Sigh

You were indeed insinuating there would be a drop off if Contreras wasn't at 1B. If not, what you claim would be a ridiculous reason for Contreras to want to stay.

Are you really as dense as this?

Yes. Yes you are.

[mattmitchl44]

I read somewhere, speculation of a team that might even take on Contreras' entire remaining contract. In addition to sending as fairly high level prospect to the Cardinals.

No way BDWJr should pickup one dime of WillyC's deal.

$18M and two yrs for a catcher (and he would catch at least 80-100 games for his new team) who can hit like Willy is more than fair and should also return a solid prospect.

The Cardinals should pick up as much of Contreras' contract as possible - that will only mean getting back better prospects. Spend their 2026 "payroll" on eating money due on these contracts because they aren't competing in 2026 anyway.

[scoutyjones2]

With Gray gone and if Donovan, Arenado and, possibly, Nootbaar are traded. The tone I sense, is that Bloom would also like to move Contreras as part of the rebuild.

Shut up Bobo

[rockondlouie]

I read somewhere, speculation of a team that might even take on Contreras' entire remaining contract. In addition to sending as fairly high level prospect to the Cardinals.

No way BDWJr should pickup one dime of WillyC's deal.

$18M and two yrs for a catcher (and he would catch at least 80-100 games for his new team) who can hit like Willy is more than fair and should also return a solid prospect.

The Cardinals should pick up as much of Contreras' contract as possible - that will only mean getting back better prospects. Spend their 2026 "payroll" on eating money due on these contracts because they aren't competing in 2026 anyway.

No they shouldn't.

On a player with as much value as WillyC has w/only two yrs remaining on fair contract you want to clear payroll while still receiving back a good prospect.

WillyC has way more value than S. Gray or NADO, the ONLY two player BDWJr should have to eat salary to get rid of.

With that savings Bloom can then add some PROVEN major league talent, albet not top shelf but a veteran SP, some pen' help and possibly a veteran OF bat.

He'll get enough prospects/suspects paying for Gray and NADO, plus not paying a cent when he deals Donny and/or Noot.

You don't pay for prospects/suspects to move solid players like WillyC and Donny.

[mattmitchl44]

I read somewhere, speculation of a team that might even take on Contreras' entire remaining contract. In addition to sending as fairly high level prospect to the Cardinals.

No way BDWJr should pickup one dime of WillyC's deal.

$18M and two yrs for a catcher (and he would catch at least 80-100 games for his new team) who can hit like Willy is more than fair and should also return a solid prospect.

The Cardinals should pick up as much of Contreras' contract as possible - that will only mean getting back better prospects. Spend their 2026 "payroll" on eating money due on these contracts because they aren't competing in 2026 anyway.

No they shouldn't.

On a player with as much value as WillyC has w/only two yrs remaining on fair contract you want to clear payroll while still receiving back a good prospect.

WillyC has way more value than S. Gray or NADO, the ONLY two player BDWJr should have to eat salary to get rid of.

With that savings Bloom can then add some PROVEN major league talent, albet not top shelf but a veteran SP, some pen' help and possibly a veteran OF bat.

He'll get enough prospects/suspects paying for Gray and NADO, plus not paying a cent when he deals Donny and/or Noot.

You don't pay for prospects/suspects to move solid players like WillyC and Donny.

If you could, hypothetically, get a FV 55 (MLB Top 25) prospect for Contreras by eating $10, $15 million instead of a FV 50 (MLB Top 100) prospect by eating nothing, eat the money and get the better prospect (same applies if you say FV 50 instead of FV 45). Putting that $10, $15 million for 2026 toward another flyer on a relatively cheap veteran FA on a 1 year deal isn't going to move the needle for 2026 anyway.

[NorthernBird]

I read somewhere, speculation of a team that might even take on Contreras' entire remaining contract. In addition to sending as fairly high level prospect to the Cardinals.

No way BDWJr should pickup one dime of WillyC's deal.

$18M and two yrs for a catcher (and he would catch at least 80-100 games for his new team) who can hit like Willy is more than fair and should also return a solid prospect.

The Cardinals should pick up as much of Contreras' contract as possible - that will only mean getting back better prospects. Spend their 2026 "payroll" on eating money due on these contracts because they aren't competing in 2026 anyway.

I wonder how bad we could get this team in 2026? And to think, this cycle of rebuilding the floor to your house every 6-7 (heeeyyy!) years to maybe have a deep playoff run a couple of times is an aspiration.