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As terrifying as it would be going from Nolan to Gorman on defense his offense is even more terrifying.imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.
I don’t know what will be worse watching him in the field or watching him at the plate. He’s going to suck again and posters will say but but he’s only 26 you can’t give up on that power!imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.
Bumbles is LH, he was never drafted as a 3B. Never played the position...he can't.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:40 pmLol. JW was drafted as a 3rd baseman too, as was Bumbles.Bob39 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:42 pmHe was drafted as a third basemen. I'm not sure he stands out anywhere defensively, but he should be able to play third decently. With Winn at short, you cover up a little lack of range. If he gets 600 plate appearances next year it will be because of how he hits more than how he fields.imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.
+1Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:48 pmI don’t know what will be worse watching him in the field or watching him at the plateimetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.
Everyone forgets about Fermin, unless he is an add-on to some trade.CardsBest wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:55 pm+1Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:48 pmI don’t know what will be worse watching him in the field or watching him at the plateimetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.
I wish they would trade both Nado and Gorman. Between 2nd and 3rd could have Wetherholt, Saggase, and Fermin or another free agent or young player in trade.
Nado and Gorman are not the future in STL.
Agreed on several fronts. Fermin is a roster player. And Gorman. I’ve never seen a worse attempt to play third. If that is his position going forward then the issues with the org go much deeper than players.imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:16 pmEveryone forgets about Fermin, unless he is an add-on to some trade.CardsBest wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:55 pm+1Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:48 pmI don’t know what will be worse watching him in the field or watching him at the plateimetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.
I wish they would trade both Nado and Gorman. Between 2nd and 3rd could have Wetherholt, Saggase, and Fermin or another free agent or young player in trade.
Nado and Gorman are not the future in STL.
I saw him play and was impressed. I like his approach, intensity and long period of control.
And his line was solid: .283/.377/.417/.793. As was his defense.
Sometimes guys who don't have the bright light on them surprise.
This has been mentioned. But still plays- how does Bloom feel about former regime players. Is there no skin in the game for him? Or purely business.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:07 am I expect that taking a hard look at what to do with Gorman - both defensively and offensively - is probably a priority item for the Cardinals this offseason and into ST.
If anything, I would expect Bloom to be less wedded to, and more objective regarding, evaluating players he didn't acquire.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:10 amThis has been mentioned. But still plays- how does Bloom feel about former regime players. Is there no skin in the game for him? Or purely business.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:07 am I expect that taking a hard look at what to do with Gorman - both defensively and offensively - is probably a priority item for the Cardinals this offseason and into ST.
Exactly my thought. With that in mind, puts Gorman on the proverbial fence.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:14 amIf anything, I would expect Bloom to be less wedded to, and more objective regarding, evaluating players he didn't acquire.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:10 amThis has been mentioned. But still plays- how does Bloom feel about former regime players. Is there no skin in the game for him? Or purely business.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:07 am I expect that taking a hard look at what to do with Gorman - both defensively and offensively - is probably a priority item for the Cardinals this offseason and into ST.
a unicorn on a fence . . . LOLsikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:17 amExactly my thought. With that in mind, puts Gorman on the proverbial fence.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:14 amIf anything, I would expect Bloom to be less wedded to, and more objective regarding, evaluating players he didn't acquire.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:10 amThis has been mentioned. But still plays- how does Bloom feel about former regime players. Is there no skin in the game for him? Or purely business.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:07 am I expect that taking a hard look at what to do with Gorman - both defensively and offensively - is probably a priority item for the Cardinals this offseason and into ST.
That does have a bit of sarcastic humor.OldRed wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:47 ama unicorn on a fence . . . LOLsikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:17 amExactly my thought. With that in mind, puts Gorman on the proverbial fence.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:14 amIf anything, I would expect Bloom to be less wedded to, and more objective regarding, evaluating players he didn't acquire.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:10 amThis has been mentioned. But still plays- how does Bloom feel about former regime players. Is there no skin in the game for him? Or purely business.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 07:07 am I expect that taking a hard look at what to do with Gorman - both defensively and offensively - is probably a priority item for the Cardinals this offseason and into ST.
Can't always switching him out or you deplete your bench. Have to have a 3rd baseman who is capable defensively of playing 9 innings.rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 08:55 am By years end he was improving but still below league average.
The arm is fine satch, he just can't make the off balance throws as well as the greats we've been spoiled w/here (NADO, Rolen, Reitz, even Pendleton and Obie).
His range to his left is mitigated by M. Winn's great range and arm to his right!
Coming in on balls is a nightmare,
I'd have my non-power, fastest hitters bunting on him all day.
But he's only going to be at 3rd base, after NADO is dealt, to really do one thing and that'(poop) HR's.
Do that 25-30+ times and we'll live w/the defensive flaws, switching him out late in games the Cards have the lead.