Please keep in mind that if the Cardinals select in the top six in 2026, they cannot select in the top ten in 2027 (because they selected in the top six in 2025), which the Cardinals record is likely to be worse in 2026 and allow for odds to a closer to the top pick in 2027. Source: https://redbirdrants.com/it-turns-out-t ... -this-year.
Based on Tankathon's calculations, the Cardinals have just a 2.35% chance for the first overall pick this year, while the teams with the best three odds (White Sox, Twins, Pirates) all have a 16% chance or higher to choose first in July. If St. Louis does move into the top six during this season's lottery drawing, that will disqualify them from being lottery-eligible the next season. As the team looks towards a multi-year rebuild, you have to wonder if they want to move into those slots or remain just on the outskirts so they can still receive high-quality talent, but have the opportunity to move up again next season as their rebuild kicks off in 2026.
Also, the Cardinals are only able to select in the top six this year after doing so last year due to being a MLB revenue-sharing receiver (which is the first time following a full season in at least 25 years and since the advent of the current MLB revenue-sharing program. Source: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/A ... irst-time/
Would you rather have the lottery selection in 2026 (which means the Cardinals could pick no higher than ten in 2027 no matter how bad the Cardinals record is in 2026) or would you rather select right outside the top six with the possibility of having higher odds to be able to maybe even have the top pick in 2027, which would also allow the Cardinals to potentially have a top six pick in 2028?
imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:08 am
Its past time baseball started a allowing the trading of draft picks. I'm sure there are reasons (if anyone know what some of those reasons are, please share) but I'm also sure some guardrails could be put into place to mitigate the concerns.
They would have to figure out a way to keep the Dodgers from getting all the best best players and best draft choices.
My retort would be the lack of a salary cap and changes to the amateur draft and international signings has thrown the game out of balance far more than trading draft picks would. i would restrict selling draft picks but allow trading draft picks. They allow trading international signing pool money.
imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:08 am
Its past time baseball started a allowing the trading of draft picks. I'm sure there are reasons (if anyone know what some of those reasons are, please share) but I'm also sure some guardrails could be put into place to mitigate the concerns.
They would have to figure out a way to keep the Dodgers from getting all the best best players and best draft choices.
They already do that somehow.
What I don't understand is why the Cardinals, for instance, can't trade Donovan for player X, player Y and a 2nd round pick? Or why Arenado, a 2028 1st and (a smaller amount of cash) to team B for a higher upside pitcher and a 3rd.
Football, basketball and hockey all do this and it actually makes trades and draft days more interesting and dynamic, at least in my opinion.
My retort would be the lack of a salary cap and changes to the amateur draft and international signings has thrown the game out of balance far more than trading draft picks would. i would restrict selling draft picks but allow trading draft picks. They allow trading international signing pool money.
Thanks for the info.
I'm not buying it either. the smaller markets are the ones usually trading for the picks, not giving them up. It doesn't hurt the other leagues and certainly there can be guard rails and limitations if its truly an issue.
Guard rails such as limiting the number of picks involved in a deal, limiting the number of years out a pick can be traded, not allowing the selling of picks, only trading players for players (no picks for cash).
There has to be a better reason because the what that says doesn't hold water.
My retort would be the lack of a salary cap and changes to the amateur draft and international signings has thrown the game out of balance far more than trading draft picks would. i would restrict selling draft picks but allow trading draft picks. They allow trading international signing pool money.
Thanks for the info.
I'm not buying it either. the smaller markets are the ones usually trading for the picks, not giving them up. It doesn't hurt the other leagues and certainly there can be guard rails and limitations if its truly an issue.
Sounds like a rule that was instituted in 1965 and they forgot to change it. They clearly aren't worried about small market teams being able to compete in 2025. The are perfectly fine with those teams being in the cellar.
My retort would be the lack of a salary cap and changes to the amateur draft and international signings has thrown the game out of balance far more than trading draft picks would. i would restrict selling draft picks but allow trading draft picks. They allow trading international signing pool money.
Thanks for the info.
I'm not buying it either. the smaller markets are the ones usually trading for the picks, not giving them up. It doesn't hurt the other leagues and certainly there can be guard rails and limitations if its truly an issue.
Sounds like a rule that was instituted in 1965 and they forgot to change it. They clearly aren't worried about small market teams being able to compete in 2025. The are perfectly fine with those teams being in the cellar.
On this we are in total agreement. I think we just solved baseball. Well done!
craviduce wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:16 am
"Bloom awarded"....he didn't do anything special to get it. He didn't bargain for it. The team's revenue (or lack thereof) got them in the drawing ...luck took over from there
should read "Cardinals awarded"
I think Bloom is doing an okay job so far....but let's not attribute something to him that he doesn't deserve. Please.
agree Duce
I know the OP meant Cardinals awarded pick and Bloom is the guy to take advantage of it.
Yes and Bloom was 5 letters and Cardinals 9 letters.
Using brevity !
Here’s the list of MLB Draft picks taken at No. 32 overall from the last 10 years (2015–2024):
Year Player Team
2024 Griff O’Ferrall Baltimore Orioles
2023 Colin Houck New York Mets
2022 Sal Stewart Cincinnati Reds
2021 Ty Madden Detroit Tigers
2020 Nick Loftin Kansas City Royals
2019 Korey Lee Houston Astros
2018 Nick Schnell Tampa Bay Rays
2017 Jeter Downs Cincinnati Reds
2016 Will Smith Los Angeles Dodgers
2015 Ke’Bryan Hayes Pittsburgh Pirates
earp wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 13:41 pm
Here’s the list of MLB Draft picks taken at No. 32 overall from the last 10 years (2015–2024):
Year Player Team
2024 Griff O’Ferrall Baltimore Orioles
2023 Colin Houck New York Mets
2022 Sal Stewart Cincinnati Reds
2021 Ty Madden Detroit Tigers
2020 Nick Loftin Kansas City Royals
2019 Korey Lee Houston Astros
2018 Nick Schnell Tampa Bay Rays
2017 Jeter Downs Cincinnati Reds
2016 Will Smith Los Angeles Dodgers
2015 Ke’Bryan Hayes Pittsburgh Pirates
I just was looking at Jose Berrios' stat page, and it says he was a 32nd pick in the 2012 draft, so, there's another decent name acquired in that slot.
craviduce wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:16 am
"Bloom awarded"....he didn't do anything special to get it. He didn't bargain for it. The team's revenue (or lack thereof) got them in the drawing ...luck took over from there
should read "Cardinals awarded"
I think Bloom is doing an okay job so far....but let's not attribute something to him that he doesn't deserve. Please.
agree Duce
I know the OP meant Cardinals awarded pick and Bloom is the guy to take advantage of it.
Yes and Bloom was 5 letters and Cardinals 9 letters.
Using brevity !
CardsIlliniLakersRams wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 12:08 pm
Please keep in mind that if the Cardinals select in the top six in 2026, they cannot select in the top ten in 2027 (because they selected in the top six in 2025), which the Cardinals record is likely to be worse in 2026 and allow for odds to a closer to the top pick in 2027. Source: https://redbirdrants.com/it-turns-out-t ... -this-year.
Based on Tankathon's calculations, the Cardinals have just a 2.35% chance for the first overall pick this year, while the teams with the best three odds (White Sox, Twins, Pirates) all have a 16% chance or higher to choose first in July. If St. Louis does move into the top six during this season's lottery drawing, that will disqualify them from being lottery-eligible the next season. As the team looks towards a multi-year rebuild, you have to wonder if they want to move into those slots or remain just on the outskirts so they can still receive high-quality talent, but have the opportunity to move up again next season as their rebuild kicks off in 2026.
Also, the Cardinals are only able to select in the top six this year after doing so last year due to being a MLB revenue-sharing receiver (which is the first time following a full season in at least 25 years and since the advent of the current MLB revenue-sharing program. Source: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/A ... irst-time/
Would you rather have the lottery selection in 2026 (which means the Cardinals could pick no higher than ten in 2027 no matter how bad the Cardinals record is in 2026) or would you rather select right outside the top six with the possibility of having higher odds to be able to maybe even have the top pick in 2027, which would also allow the Cardinals to potentially have a top six pick in 2028?
I would rather have the higher pick earlier (this draft), than any even higher pick next year. Hopefully this is not a 4 or 5 year rebuild. Give me a top 6 pick this year and let's get this rebuild done with for competing in 2027.
ramfandan wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:50 am
Cardinals will get a competitive balance Round A bonus draft choice.
Expected to be about 32nd overall pick.
Great news !
How did Bloom earn it? Anything to do with getting our Payroll low enough before the evaluation date or something?
craviduce wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:16 am
"Bloom awarded"....he didn't do anything special to get it. He didn't bargain for it. The team's revenue (or lack thereof) got them in the drawing ...luck took over from there
should read "Cardinals awarded"
I think Bloom is doing an okay job so far....but let's not attribute something to him that he doesn't deserve. Please.
agree Duce
I know the OP meant Cardinals awarded pick and Bloom is the guy to take advantage of it.
Yes and Bloom was 5 letters and Cardinals 9 letters.
Using brevity !
but, Cards also is only 5
True, but rarely do I use ‘Cards’ to refer tithe Cardinals.
Just like if I see two red birds in our backyard, I would say to my wife’There are a couple Cardinals on the branch… not’there are a couple Cards out there.
Intend to use Yankees too and don’t shorten them to Yanks when I am talking to others. Just a personal preference.
CardsIlliniLakersRams wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 12:08 pm
Please keep in mind that if the Cardinals select in the top six in 2026, they cannot select in the top ten in 2027 (because they selected in the top six in 2025), which the Cardinals record is likely to be worse in 2026 and allow for odds to a closer to the top pick in 2027. Source: https://redbirdrants.com/it-turns-out-t ... -this-year.
Based on Tankathon's calculations, the Cardinals have just a 2.35% chance for the first overall pick this year, while the teams with the best three odds (White Sox, Twins, Pirates) all have a 16% chance or higher to choose first in July. If St. Louis does move into the top six during this season's lottery drawing, that will disqualify them from being lottery-eligible the next season. As the team looks towards a multi-year rebuild, you have to wonder if they want to move into those slots or remain just on the outskirts so they can still receive high-quality talent, but have the opportunity to move up again next season as their rebuild kicks off in 2026.
Also, the Cardinals are only able to select in the top six this year after doing so last year due to being a MLB revenue-sharing receiver (which is the first time following a full season in at least 25 years and since the advent of the current MLB revenue-sharing program. Source: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/A ... irst-time/
Would you rather have the lottery selection in 2026 (which means the Cardinals could pick no higher than ten in 2027 no matter how bad the Cardinals record is in 2026) or would you rather select right outside the top six with the possibility of having higher odds to be able to maybe even have the top pick in 2027, which would also allow the Cardinals to potentially have a top six pick in 2028?
By 2027 all the rules will change again per the new CBA. Maybe MLB will allow the trading of draft picks like in the NFL. Maybe there will be a salary floor which makes fielding young prospects less valuable from a money saving perspective since you will have to hire and pay veterans anyway. Maybe additional anti-tanking rules will be instituted. Maybe they will latch onto my competition idea and give the first 2 teams that Miss out on the playoffs a much higher chance of winning the lottery to encourage winning among the .500 brackets.
craviduce wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:16 am
"Bloom awarded"....he didn't do anything special to get it. He didn't bargain for it. The team's revenue (or lack thereof) got them in the drawing ...luck took over from there
should read "Cardinals awarded"
I think Bloom is doing an okay job so far....but let's not attribute something to him that he doesn't deserve. Please.
