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HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate?

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:50 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Context.

A rebuilding team is obviously trading players, and it’s not personal.

Arenado will make about 300mil. If Bloom wants to openly say he’s shopping Arenado, I think ol’ Nolan will be okay.

Arenado will not make $300 million.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:02 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate?

You knew in August we were trying to trade Contreras and Donovan - if we can't make a deal for Donovan we will try to trade Nootbar or Gorman?

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 07:58 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:56 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”

Why broadcast all of this?

As has been posted in this thread, we are in the offseason. This is the business side of baseball. The players play their hands to their own benefit. Why shouldn't the POBOs? Why not let all his POBO cronies know what his intentions are? No one is getting a secret peak at Bloom's intentions. The playing field is level.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:04 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:02 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate?

You knew in August we were trying to trade Contreras and Donovan - if we can't make a deal for Donovan we will try to trade Nootbar or Gorman?

No, every player you mentioned can be traded and are independent of each other. They won't trade X player because they can't trade Y player.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:50 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Context.

A rebuilding team is obviously trading players, and it’s not personal.

Arenado will make about 300mil. If Bloom wants to openly say he’s shopping Arenado, I think ol’ Nolan will be okay.

Arenado will not make $300 million.

His projected earnings total 289mil.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 07:58 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:56 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”

Why broadcast all of this?

The only reason his choices were limited was because he had to put David price into the trade

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

I think most of us knew in August or September that Arenado, Gray and Willie would be on the trading. I'd also say that most of us knew that the trades could include Donovan, Noot, Burly, Gorman and maybe a catcher. I'm sorry if you didn't, I think most of those names were all talked about on most of the second half of the season.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 07:58 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:56 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”

Why broadcast all of this?

As has been posted in this thread, we are in the offseason. This is the business side of baseball. The players play their hands to their own benefit. Why shouldn't the POBOs? Why not let all his POBO cronies know what his intentions are? No one is getting a secret peak at Bloom's intentions. The playing field is level.

+1
For the record....when I was working I would have gladly accepted my company offering to swap me to a competitor in exchange for making millions of $$.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 07:58 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:56 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”

Why broadcast all of this?

As has been posted in this thread, we are in the offseason. This is the business side of baseball. The players play their hands to their own benefit. Why shouldn't the POBOs? Why not let all his POBO cronies know what his intentions are? No one is getting a secret peak at Bloom's intentions. The playing field is level.

Alexander Graham Bell filed a patent for a telephone in 1876. Why not use that? Strange way to do business.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:22 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:04 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:02 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate?

You knew in August we were trying to trade Contreras and Donovan - if we can't make a deal for Donovan we will try to trade Nootbar or Gorman?

No, every player you mentioned can be traded and are independent of each other. They won't trade X player because they can't trade Y player.

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”[/url]

Either the reporter is lying or Bloom intends to do exactly that.

[url=https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/st-louis-cardinals]

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:23 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:50 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Context.

A rebuilding team is obviously trading players, and it’s not personal.

Arenado will make about 300mil. If Bloom wants to openly say he’s shopping Arenado, I think ol’ Nolan will be okay.

Arenado will not make $300 million.

His projected earnings total 289mil.

He has one year left @ $26 million. Where do you get $289 million?

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:28 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 07:58 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:56 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”

Why broadcast all of this?

The only reason his choices were limited was because he had to put David price into the trade

Now that he has told everybody exactly who he intends to trade are they going to try to bundle Donovan with Arenado and give us little in return?

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 12:18 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

I think most of us knew in August or September that Arenado, Gray and Willie would be on the trading. I'd also say that most of us knew that the trades could include Donovan, Noot, Burly, Gorman and maybe a catcher. I'm sorry if you didn't, I think most of those names were all talked about on most of the second half of the season.

You knew in August they were going to trade Burleson too? You have a vivid imagination.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 11:01 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

When rumors were floating about Hernandez and the tensions with upper management the writing
on the wall was there. Look at the accomplishments of Hernandez were in his 20's for a couple minimal
level pitchers. Keith was a large part of both StL and NYM. Templeton went crazy flipped off
the crowd changed his career in a moment.

Bloom never has said he was giving guys away. There is still a price and demand for each player is what sets
that price. Cards don't have to make any more trades and would survive fine. They Gray trade shows this.
It was done very early. Sure the Cards threw money in but the player was still wanted to pitch
not because he had a coupon. IF the contract was $25/per instead of drastically deferred or backloaded
money wouldn't have been a issue.