JJ to third. Toughest position to fill.

[2ninr]

I like thinking outside the box so you get a green check mark for that. But imo JJ plays second. Forever. Think Jesus Baez at third after the labor strife is settled. Gorman probably gets 2026.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I like thinking outside the box so you get a green check mark for that. But imo JJ plays second. Forever. Think Jesus Baez at third after the labor strife is settled. Gorman probably gets 2026.

Thanx on the green check mark. Not opposed to second base. I just think, maybe we have a generational talent. One you take a chance. Especially in a rebuild.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

This is a JJ to third thread. I’m having a Shady moment.

19. There are nineteen third baseman inducted into to HOF. That’s the fewest number by position. They are rare.

There are more managers and owner/sponsors in than third baseman.

I look at some of our history- Shannon Reitz, Pendleton, Freese Nado Boyer and see steady players. No hall guys. Boyer should be in.

So it seems fielding a third baseman of high caliber is very tough. Almost non existent. Why then would you not try it if you have a chance. We have that chance.


JJ. Once Donovan is traded, we need a good second baseman. Saggese? Gomber? Neither does much to assist a GG caliber infield. So it’s JJ at second. But.

An internal move of this nature is as bold and effective as a savvy trade. Just think of the possibilities- an AS third baseman who hits like George Brett. There hasn’t been a Brett since George. It’s time.

Then we field a second baseman. Bold. This is a greät opportunity to take a huge step forward.

Finally. Yeah! Would you rather have a stud second baseman or third baseman. And. Which one is more valuable to the infield, the pitchers, the team.

It’s early. Coffee is hot, buzz is waning. Still dark. Any ideas here.

Buzz is waning?

Ha. Nice catch. Yes my dosage is so low I hardly feel the side effects, much less the long extended buzz. Glaucoma and IBD.

[Melville]

Gorman and Winn have by far the strongest arms.
They will be on the left side.
Wetherholt will play 2B.
Worth noting, is his MILB career, Wetherholt has started at SS 85 times, 20 times at 2B, and just 12 at 3B.
Roughly 90% of his starts have been as a middle infielder.
That tells you exactly how STL views him.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Gorman and Winn have by far the strongest arms.
They will be on the left side.
Wetherholt will play 2B.
Worth noting, is his MILB career, Wetherholt has started at SS 85 times, 20 times at 2B, and just 12 at 3B.
Roughly 90% of his starts have been as a middle infielder.
That tells you exactly how STL views him.

I hear ya. But not the point. The intent is- what if he did okay and produced at third. Where would the team now be in the rebuild.

We know he plays second. And Gorman to third is far less optimistic.

Wouldn’t NG make a great DH. Or first baseman.

[Melville]

Gorman and Winn have by far the strongest arms.
They will be on the left side.
Wetherholt will play 2B.
Worth noting, is his MILB career, Wetherholt has started at SS 85 times, 20 times at 2B, and just 12 at 3B.
Roughly 90% of his starts have been as a middle infielder.
That tells you exactly how STL views him.

I hear ya. But not the point. The intent is- what if he did okay and produced at third. Where would the team now be in the rebuild.

We know he plays second. And Gorman to third is far less optimistic.

Wouldn’t NG make a great DH. Or first baseman.

Gorman was actually better than N/A last year at fielding balls hit on the ground and at turning DP's (check out the data).
His only issue was throwing to 1B, all virtually all of that took place in the first 2 weeks of shifting to 3B.
After that, he was fine.
He is not a GG defender, but he is more than good enough to play 3b.
The team needs Burleson, Gorman, and Wetherholt to carry the LH production in 2026 if Bloom makes the mistake of trading Donovan this off-season.
Which means Gorman must play 3b and Wetherholt must play 2B.
There really is no other current option.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Gorman and Winn have by far the strongest arms.
They will be on the left side.
Wetherholt will play 2B.
Worth noting, is his MILB career, Wetherholt has started at SS 85 times, 20 times at 2B, and just 12 at 3B.
Roughly 90% of his starts have been as a middle infielder.
That tells you exactly how STL views him.

I hear ya. But not the point. The intent is- what if he did okay and produced at third. Where would the team now be in the rebuild.

We know he plays second. And Gorman to third is far less optimistic.

Wouldn’t NG make a great DH. Or first baseman.

Gorman was actually better than N/A last year at fielding balls hit on the ground and at turning DP's (check out the data).
His only issue was throwing to 1B, all virtually all of that took place in the first 2 weeks of shifting to 3B.
After that, he was fine.
He is not a GG defender, but he is more than good enough to play 3b.
The team needs Burleson, Gorman, and Wetherholt to carry the LH production in 2026 if Bloom makes the mistake of trading Donovan this off-season.
Which means Gorman must play 3b and Wetherholt must play 2B.
There really is no other current option.

I will believe your data. But man that’s hard to believe. If they keep Donovan as you alluded to, where does he play. On my team I’d go Willy/Gorman at first, Donovan at second Winn at SS JJ at third. Best offensive and defensive infield in baseball.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Good morning.

This is a JJ to third thread. I’m having a Shady moment.

19. There are nineteen third baseman inducted into to HOF. That’s the fewest number by position. They are rare.

There are more managers and owner/sponsors in than third baseman.

I look at some of our history- Shannon Reitz, Pendleton, Freese Nado Boyer and see steady players. No hall guys. Boyer should be in.

So it seems fielding a third baseman of high caliber is very tough. Almost non existent. Why then would you not try it if you have a chance. We have that chance.


JJ. Once Donovan is traded, we need a good second baseman. Saggese? Gomber? Neither does much to assist a GG caliber infield. So it’s JJ at second. But.

An internal move of this nature is as bold and effective as a savvy trade. Just think of the possibilities- an AS third baseman who hits like George Brett. There hasn’t been a Brett since George. It’s time.

Then we field a second baseman. Bold. This is a greät opportunity to take a huge step forward.

Finally. Yeah! Would you rather have a stud second baseman or third baseman. And. Which one is more valuable to the infield, the pitchers, the team.

It’s early. Coffee is hot, buzz is waning. Still dark. Any ideas here.

Morning, Dog, I love the idea of having a G Brett caliber bat at 3B! I'm in on that. I do think that starting JJW out at 3B right out of the gate would put some added pressure on the kid that could distract him from his craft, which is hitting baseballs hard.

[rockondlouie]

JJW is going to be the OD 2nd baseman unless NADO, Donny and Gorman are all three traded.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

This is a JJ to third thread. I’m having a Shady moment.

19. There are nineteen third baseman inducted into to HOF. That’s the fewest number by position. They are rare.

There are more managers and owner/sponsors in than third baseman.

I look at some of our history- Shannon Reitz, Pendleton, Freese Nado Boyer and see steady players. No hall guys. Boyer should be in.

So it seems fielding a third baseman of high caliber is very tough. Almost non existent. Why then would you not try it if you have a chance. We have that chance.


JJ. Once Donovan is traded, we need a good second baseman. Saggese? Gomber? Neither does much to assist a GG caliber infield. So it’s JJ at second. But.

An internal move of this nature is as bold and effective as a savvy trade. Just think of the possibilities- an AS third baseman who hits like George Brett. There hasn’t been a Brett since George. It’s time.

Then we field a second baseman. Bold. This is a greät opportunity to take a huge step forward.

Finally. Yeah! Would you rather have a stud second baseman or third baseman. And. Which one is more valuable to the infield, the pitchers, the team.

It’s early. Coffee is hot, buzz is waning. Still dark. Any ideas here.

Morning, Dog, I love the idea of having a G Brett caliber bat at 3B! I'm in on that. I do think that starting JJW out at 3B right out of the gate would put some added pressure on the kid that could distract him from his craft, which is hitting baseballs hard.

Thank you and good morning sir. Thanx for noting the Brett caliber hitter. I think the board missed that notation. Forty ish years since Brett. Due. Why not us.

As for the position affecting his hitting that is a possibility. But the ML pitchers alone will cause that effect.

[Melville]

Gorman and Winn have by far the strongest arms.
They will be on the left side.
Wetherholt will play 2B.
Worth noting, is his MILB career, Wetherholt has started at SS 85 times, 20 times at 2B, and just 12 at 3B.
Roughly 90% of his starts have been as a middle infielder.
That tells you exactly how STL views him.

I hear ya. But not the point. The intent is- what if he did okay and produced at third. Where would the team now be in the rebuild.

We know he plays second. And Gorman to third is far less optimistic.

Wouldn’t NG make a great DH. Or first baseman.

Gorman was actually better than N/A last year at fielding balls hit on the ground and at turning DP's (check out the data).
His only issue was throwing to 1B, all virtually all of that took place in the first 2 weeks of shifting to 3B.
After that, he was fine.
He is not a GG defender, but he is more than good enough to play 3b.
The team needs Burleson, Gorman, and Wetherholt to carry the LH production in 2026 if Bloom makes the mistake of trading Donovan this off-season.
Which means Gorman must play 3b and Wetherholt must play 2B.
There really is no other current option.

I will believe your data. But man that’s hard to believe. If they keep Donovan as you alluded to, where does he play. On my team I’d go Willy/Gorman at first, Donovan at second Winn at SS JJ at third. Best offensive and defensive infield in baseball.

Donovan should be the starting LF.
And serve as insurance for infield in the event of injuries or underperformance.
I would try to extend him and if unable to do so, would trade him in July instead
I think this is the far smarter play than what Bloom is currently planning.

[Shady]

A wildcard in this equation is Saggese. He has a chance to be a much more productive hitter than he was at 23 last season. Still the same, wasn't he a better hitter than Gorman was last season.

[sikeston bulldog2]

A wildcard in this equation is Saggese. He has a chance to be a much more productive hitter than he was at 23 last season. Still the same, wasn't he a better hitter than Gorman was last season.

I wouldn’t play Saggese before JJ at third cause he don’t hit enough; nor at second ahead of Donovan same reason, hitting. But, yes in both positions ahead on Gorman.

[zuck698]

Good morning.

This is a JJ to third thread. I’m having a Shady moment.

19. There are nineteen third baseman inducted into to HOF. That’s the fewest number by position. They are rare.

There are more managers and owner/sponsors in than third baseman.

I look at some of our history- Shannon Reitz, Pendleton, Freese Nado Boyer and see steady players. No hall guys. Boyer should be in.

So it seems fielding a third baseman of high caliber is very tough. Almost non existent. Why then would you not try it if you have a chance. We have that chance.


JJ. Once Donovan is traded, we need a good second baseman. Saggese? Gomber? Neither does much to assist a GG caliber infield. So it’s JJ at second. But.

An internal move of this nature is as bold and effective as a savvy trade. Just think of the possibilities- an AS third baseman who hits like George Brett. There hasn’t been a Brett since George. It’s time.

Then we field a second baseman. Bold. This is a greät opportunity to take a huge step forward.

Finally. Yeah! Would you rather have a stud second baseman or third baseman. And. Which one is more valuable to the infield, the pitchers, the team.

It’s early. Coffee is hot, buzz is waning. Still dark. Any ideas here.

Morning, Dog, I love the idea of having a G Brett caliber bat at 3B! I'm in on that. I do think that starting JJW out at 3B right out of the gate would put some added pressure on the kid that could distract him from his craft, which is hitting baseballs hard.

Thank you and good morning sir. Thanx for noting the Brett caliber hitter. I think the board missed that notation. Forty ish years since Brett. Due. Why not us.

As for the position affecting his hitting that is a possibility. But the ML pitchers alone will cause that effect.

"Well you can't take the effect and make it the cause. I didn't rob the bank because you made up the law. Blame me for robbing Peter but don't blame Paul"

A little White Stripes for you B-Dog!

[renostl]

Gorman and Winn have by far the strongest arms.
They will be on the left side.
Wetherholt will play 2B.
Worth noting, is his MILB career, Wetherholt has started at SS 85 times, 20 times at 2B, and just 12 at 3B.
Roughly 90% of his starts have been as a middle infielder.
That tells you exactly how STL views him.

I hear ya. But not the point. The intent is- what if he did okay and produced at third. Where would the team now be in the rebuild.

We know he plays second. And Gorman to third is far less optimistic.

Wouldn’t NG make a great DH. Or first baseman.

Gorman was actually better than N/A last year at fielding balls hit on the ground and at turning DP's (check out the data).
His only issue was throwing to 1B, all virtually all of that took place in the first 2 weeks of shifting to 3B.
After that, he was fine.
He is not a GG defender, but he is more than good enough to play 3b.
The team needs Burleson, Gorman, and Wetherholt to carry the LH production in 2026 if Bloom makes the mistake of trading Donovan this off-season.
Which means Gorman must play 3b and Wetherholt must play 2B.
There really is no other current option.

I will believe your data. But man that’s hard to believe. If they keep Donovan as you alluded to, where does he play. On my team I’d go Willy/Gorman at first, Donovan at second Winn at SS JJ at third. Best offensive and defensive infield in baseball.

It is difficult to believe because in as half as many games he had 1 more error than NA.
He was a -6 in runs saved, -9 OAA, and as your eyes told you he just did not look good.
Last season he actually showed better at 2B than 3B partially due to a strong but inaccurate
arm. It's not in stone but having concerns are fair.

I like JJ at 3B for a lot of the reasons that you bring up.

Knowing the roster is the biggest unknown. Winn, Saggese, and JJ are probable, after that who knows

IF JJ's arm is avg and accurate at SS, I'd put that ahead of everyone except NA. From the scouting report at MLB.com that gave him a 50 arm
also reads this. " He has the arm and athleticism to handle the six but will bump into Masyn Winn at the position if he continues up the St. Louis chain, at which time a move elsewhere shouldn't be a major concern".

IMO that coincides with yours 3B is harder to find. Therefore more expensive. A 5'-11" 3B that came off of a .260/.315/.453/.768
received $40 million, as a low to mid 20's HR hitter. One inch taller than JJ. The days of 30+ HR's there are very uncommon. I wouldn't move the kid around a lot on D. I also don't know if Gorman should be given anything. I'd platoon the guy with Saggese's except NG had reverse splits in 2025.
Is that a good sign? As is let the 2 battle for 2B in the event Donovan is traded or moves to LF.
As a tidbit Gorman only has 1 more season of control than Donovan. There are worse things than selling low. As of today, this second in time,
I'd rather have Donovan signed on for the next 5 seasons than NG. Or keep NG in the DH/1B thoughts.

[dugoutrex]

Good morning.

This is a JJ to third thread. I’m having a Shady moment.

19. There are nineteen third baseman inducted into to HOF. That’s the fewest number by position. They are rare.

There are more managers and owner/sponsors in than third baseman.

I look at some of our history- Shannon Reitz, Pendleton, Freese Nado Boyer and see steady players. No hall guys. Boyer should be in.

So it seems fielding a third baseman of high caliber is very tough. Almost non existent. Why then would you not try it if you have a chance. We have that chance.


JJ. Once Donovan is traded, we need a good second baseman. Saggese? Gomber? Neither does much to assist a GG caliber infield. So it’s JJ at second. But.

An internal move of this nature is as bold and effective as a savvy trade. Just think of the possibilities- an AS third baseman who hits like George Brett. There hasn’t been a Brett since George. It’s time.

Then we field a second baseman. Bold. This is a greät opportunity to take a huge step forward.

Finally. Yeah! Would you rather have a stud second baseman or third baseman. And. Which one is more valuable to the infield, the pitchers, the team.

It’s early. Coffee is hot, buzz is waning. Still dark. Any ideas here.

why do you get up so early?