Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 07:10 am
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
He had a wRC+ of 94 and 83 the last two years. So while he is aggregating, he's costing you a lot of outs in the process. Teams will notice that.
Luke Voit was actually wRC+ 121 for his career. So, yeah, he's no Luke Voit.
Also had his highest bWAR in 2020, lol with 56 PA's at 1.7. He has 0 value on defense.
Adolis Arm Strength is 92nd Percentile, his OAA is 74, his baserunning is ~80 and his average exit velo is 89%. He'll easily get a playing position next year on an MLB squad. Care to wager?
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 07:10 am
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
He had a wRC+ of 94 and 83 the last two years. So while he is aggregating, he's costing you a lot of outs in the process. Teams will notice that.
Luke Voit was actually wRC+ 121 for his career. So, yeah, he's no Luke Voit.
Also had his highest bWAR in 2020, lol with 56 PA's at 1.7. He has 0 value on defense.
Adolis Arm Strength is 92nd Percentile, his OAA is 74, his baserunning is ~80 and his average exit velo is 89%. He'll easily get a playing position next year on an MLB squad. Care to wager?
He could get 1 yr./$3-$4 million and still get a starting position with the Nationals, White Sox, Rockies, etc. There are a lot of bad teams going nowhere that he could play for cheaply.
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 07:10 am
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
He had a wRC+ of 94 and 83 the last two years. So while he is aggregating, he's costing you a lot of outs in the process. Teams will notice that.
Luke Voit was actually wRC+ 121 for his career. So, yeah, he's no Luke Voit.
Also had his highest bWAR in 2020, lol with 56 PA's at 1.7. He has 0 value on defense.
Adolis Arm Strength is 92nd Percentile, his OAA is 74, his baserunning is ~80 and his average exit velo is 89%. He'll easily get a playing position next year on an MLB squad. Care to wager?
He could get 1 yr./$3-$4 million and still get a starting position with the Nationals, White Sox, Rockies, etc. There are a lot of bad teams going nowhere that he could play for cheaply.
That's exactly what I am saying. I never once implied he would go to the Dodgers or Yankees, lol.
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 07:10 am
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
He had a wRC+ of 94 and 83 the last two years. So while he is aggregating, he's costing you a lot of outs in the process. Teams will notice that.
Luke Voit was actually wRC+ 121 for his career. So, yeah, he's no Luke Voit.
Also had his highest bWAR in 2020, lol with 56 PA's at 1.7. He has 0 value on defense.
Adolis Arm Strength is 92nd Percentile, his OAA is 74, his baserunning is ~80 and his average exit velo is 89%. He'll easily get a playing position next year on an MLB squad. Care to wager?
He could get 1 yr./$3-$4 million and still get a starting position with the Nationals, White Sox, Rockies, etc. There are a lot of bad teams going nowhere that he could play for cheaply.
That's exactly what I am saying. I never once implied he would go to the Dodgers or Yankees, lol.
Who knows. Maybe he takes a super sub role, late innings defense, etc, but does it cheaper for a contender.
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 07:10 am
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
He had a wRC+ of 94 and 83 the last two years. So while he is aggregating, he's costing you a lot of outs in the process. Teams will notice that.
Luke Voit was actually wRC+ 121 for his career. So, yeah, he's no Luke Voit.
Also had his highest bWAR in 2020, lol with 56 PA's at 1.7. He has 0 value on defense.
Adolis Arm Strength is 92nd Percentile, his OAA is 74, his baserunning is ~80 and his average exit velo is 89%. He'll easily get a playing position next year on an MLB squad. Care to wager?
Gets himself another ring and a few million?
He could get 1 yr./$3-$4 million and still get a starting position with the Nationals, White Sox, Rockies, etc. There are a lot of bad teams going nowhere that he could play for cheaply.
That's exactly what I am saying. I never once implied he would go to the Dodgers or Yankees, lol.
Who knows. Maybe he takes a super sub role, late innings defense, etc, but does it cheaper for a contender.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 04:52 am
It was a good thing for Garcia that he took that 2 yr./$14 million deal back after then end of the 2023 season instead of going the ARB route.
With his ability to control the running game and his leather with some power don’t you think he’ll remain in the league for 1-2 more years?
He played a ~3 bWAR last year
0.7 fWAR in 2025, -0.1 fWAR in 2024.
His entire value right now is being driven by his defense, and how individual teams will evaluate defense (as evidenced by the split between bWAR and fWAR) is unpredictable.
He'll probably get take-it-or-leave-it offers for like 1 yr./$3-$4 million, but I doubt any team will value him highly enough to manipulated into making a second, higher bid if he says no.
No doubt he’s taking a reduced number than his arbitration no question imo. But to think he won’t be making 3-4 (I like your projection) on a one year deal imo is foolish.
Any given year he can give you excellent defense and his arm controls the run game.
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
Teams dont base decisions on rbi any more. Its a stat of opportunity not necessarily a repeatable skill. He hit .199 wirh an ops of .581 with runners on base in 2025 so its not like he was clutch. He just had many opportunities.
Also in 2025 .224 with 624 ops in high leverage situations, .158 with .522 ops in medium leverage, and .294 with .824 ops in low leverage. .205 with a .594 ops in late and close situations. .208 with .594 ops in tie games. .197 with .600 ops in games with 1 run, but .315 with a .961 ops in games where margin is greater than 4 runs.
This is why rbis is a garbage dtat. Besides rbis having some amount of luck and opportunity to them- even within rvis a guy can just stat pad in garbage time and you treat hitting a bomb vs a mop up pitcher the same as hitting a homerun vs their closer in tight game. It isnt the same.
Garcia has been a below avg hitter the last 2 years. He gets homeruns but his obp is so abysmal hes still been a bad hitter.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 04:52 am
It was a good thing for Garcia that he took that 2 yr./$14 million deal back after then end of the 2023 season instead of going the ARB route.
With his ability to control the running game and his leather with some power don’t you think he’ll remain in the league for 1-2 more years?
He played a ~3 bWAR last year
0.7 fWAR in 2025, -0.1 fWAR in 2024.
His entire value right now is being driven by his defense, and how individual teams will evaluate defense (as evidenced by the split between bWAR and fWAR) is unpredictable.
He'll probably get take-it-or-leave-it offers for like 1 yr./$3-$4 million, but I doubt any team will value him highly enough to manipulated into making a second, higher bid if he says no.
No doubt he’s taking a reduced number than his arbitration no question imo. But to think he won’t be making 3-4 (I like your projection) on a one year deal imo is foolish.
Any given year he can give you excellent defense and his arm controls the run game.
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
Teams dont base decisions on rbi any more. Its a stat of opportunity not necessarily a repeatable skill. He hit .199 wirh an ops of .581 with runners on base in 2025 so its not like he was clutch. He just had many opportunities.
Also in 2025 .224 with 624 ops in high leverage situations, .158 with .522 ops in medium leverage, and .294 with .824 ops in low leverage. .205 with a .594 ops in late and close situations. .208 with .594 ops in tie games. .197 with .600 ops in games with 1 run, but .315 with a .961 ops in games where margin is greater than 4 runs.
This is why rbis is a garbage dtat. Besides rbis having some amount of luck and opportunity to them- even within rvis a guy can just stat pad in garbage time and you treat hitting a bomb vs a mop up pitcher the same as hitting a homerun vs their closer in tight game. It isnt the same.
Garcia has been a below avg hitter the last 2 years. He gets homeruns but his obp is so abysmal hes still been a bad hitter.
Well if the cardinals had more players that had high totals in that garbage stat they would score more runs
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 04:52 am
It was a good thing for Garcia that he took that 2 yr./$14 million deal back after then end of the 2023 season instead of going the ARB route.
With his ability to control the running game and his leather with some power don’t you think he’ll remain in the league for 1-2 more years?
He played a ~3 bWAR last year
0.7 fWAR in 2025, -0.1 fWAR in 2024.
His entire value right now is being driven by his defense, and how individual teams will evaluate defense (as evidenced by the split between bWAR and fWAR) is unpredictable.
He'll probably get take-it-or-leave-it offers for like 1 yr./$3-$4 million, but I doubt any team will value him highly enough to manipulated into making a second, higher bid if he says no.
No doubt he’s taking a reduced number than his arbitration no question imo. But to think he won’t be making 3-4 (I like your projection) on a one year deal imo is foolish.
Any given year he can give you excellent defense and his arm controls the run game.
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
Teams dont base decisions on rbi any more. Its a stat of opportunity not necessarily a repeatable skill. He hit .199 wirh an ops of .581 with runners on base in 2025 so its not like he was clutch. He just had many opportunities.
Also in 2025 .224 with 624 ops in high leverage situations, .158 with .522 ops in medium leverage, and .294 with .824 ops in low leverage. .205 with a .594 ops in late and close situations. .208 with .594 ops in tie games. .197 with .600 ops in games with 1 run, but .315 with a .961 ops in games where margin is greater than 4 runs.
This is why rbis is a garbage dtat. Besides rbis having some amount of luck and opportunity to them- even within rvis a guy can just stat pad in garbage time and you treat hitting a bomb vs a mop up pitcher the same as hitting a homerun vs their closer in tight game. It isnt the same.
Garcia has been a below avg hitter the last 2 years. He gets homeruns but his obp is so abysmal hes still been a bad hitter.
What will he get though?
If he’s at 1.5-2nil range, and we trade Noot, I would entertain it.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 04:52 am
It was a good thing for Garcia that he took that 2 yr./$14 million deal back after then end of the 2023 season instead of going the ARB route.
With his ability to control the running game and his leather with some power don’t you think he’ll remain in the league for 1-2 more years?
He played a ~3 bWAR last year
0.7 fWAR in 2025, -0.1 fWAR in 2024.
His entire value right now is being driven by his defense, and how individual teams will evaluate defense (as evidenced by the split between bWAR and fWAR) is unpredictable.
He'll probably get take-it-or-leave-it offers for like 1 yr./$3-$4 million, but I doubt any team will value him highly enough to manipulated into making a second, higher bid if he says no.
No doubt he’s taking a reduced number than his arbitration no question imo. But to think he won’t be making 3-4 (I like your projection) on a one year deal imo is foolish.
Any given year he can give you excellent defense and his arm controls the run game.
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
Teams dont base decisions on rbi any more. Its a stat of opportunity not necessarily a repeatable skill. He hit .199 wirh an ops of .581 with runners on base in 2025 so its not like he was clutch. He just had many opportunities.
Also in 2025 .224 with 624 ops in high leverage situations, .158 with .522 ops in medium leverage, and .294 with .824 ops in low leverage. .205 with a .594 ops in late and close situations. .208 with .594 ops in tie games. .197 with .600 ops in games with 1 run, but .315 with a .961 ops in games where margin is greater than 4 runs.
This is why rbis is a garbage dtat. Besides rbis having some amount of luck and opportunity to them- even within rvis a guy can just stat pad in garbage time and you treat hitting a bomb vs a mop up pitcher the same as hitting a homerun vs their closer in tight game. It isnt the same.
Garcia has been a below avg hitter the last 2 years. He gets homeruns but his obp is so abysmal hes still been a bad hitter.
What will he get though?
If he’s at 1.5-2nil range, and we trade Noot, I would entertain it.
Its hard to tell. I dont think he has high value but teams like thendodgers can always overpay to see if he regains form cuz the money means nothing to them if the player flops
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 04:52 am
It was a good thing for Garcia that he took that 2 yr./$14 million deal back after then end of the 2023 season instead of going the ARB route.
With his ability to control the running game and his leather with some power don’t you think he’ll remain in the league for 1-2 more years?
He played a ~3 bWAR last year
0.7 fWAR in 2025, -0.1 fWAR in 2024.
His entire value right now is being driven by his defense, and how individual teams will evaluate defense (as evidenced by the split between bWAR and fWAR) is unpredictable.
He'll probably get take-it-or-leave-it offers for like 1 yr./$3-$4 million, but I doubt any team will value him highly enough to manipulated into making a second, higher bid if he says no.
No doubt he’s taking a reduced number than his arbitration no question imo. But to think he won’t be making 3-4 (I like your projection) on a one year deal imo is foolish.
Any given year he can give you excellent defense and his arm controls the run game.
His aggregates HR / RBIs are rated at ~75th in the league.
He’s no Luke Voit.
Teams dont base decisions on rbi any more. Its a stat of opportunity not necessarily a repeatable skill. He hit .199 wirh an ops of .581 with runners on base in 2025 so its not like he was clutch. He just had many opportunities.
Also in 2025 .224 with 624 ops in high leverage situations, .158 with .522 ops in medium leverage, and .294 with .824 ops in low leverage. .205 with a .594 ops in late and close situations. .208 with .594 ops in tie games. .197 with .600 ops in games with 1 run, but .315 with a .961 ops in games where margin is greater than 4 runs.
This is why rbis is a garbage dtat. Besides rbis having some amount of luck and opportunity to them- even within rvis a guy can just stat pad in garbage time and you treat hitting a bomb vs a mop up pitcher the same as hitting a homerun vs their closer in tight game. It isnt the same.
Garcia has been a below avg hitter the last 2 years. He gets homeruns but his obp is so abysmal hes still been a bad hitter.
What will he get though?
If he’s at 1.5-2nil range, and we trade Noot, I would entertain it.
Its hard to tell. I dont think he has high value but teams like thendodgers can always overpay to see if he regains form cuz the money means nothing to them if the player flops
He'll be on a team next year, easy money.... Controls the base runners, plays solid defense has ~90th average exit velo.
There are a lot of bad teams going nowhere that he could play for cheaply.