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amen to that Bro'JuanAgosto wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 11:57 am Either a SP or a high-level position prospect. MLB ready by 2027. That is if the return isn't a current legit MLB player. No Mozeliak specials of minor leaguers with injury history. The days of low-hanging fruit and hoping for the best should be over.
I would hope he’s looking for more value and upside than that given a potentially very competitive auction.Shady wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 17:30 pm Would Bloom accept this kind of package for Donovan? A young pitcher comparable to Liberatore or McGreevy (MLB ready), plus a young RH hitting outfielder comparable to Walker. Walker having enormous untapped potential. The outfielder may only have been at AAA last season.
That's informative. Thanks.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 18:02 pmI would hope he’s looking for more value and upside than that given a potentially very competitive auction.Shady wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 17:30 pm Would Bloom accept this kind of package for Donovan? A young pitcher comparable to Liberatore or McGreevy (MLB ready), plus a young RH hitting outfielder comparable to Walker. Walker having enormous untapped potential. The outfielder may only have been at AAA last season.
Donovan (32.1)
McGreevy (20.4) or Liberatore (12)
Plus: Walker (5.4)
Total: 17.4 - 25.8
Once again: They’re not trying to compete next year.
They are more likely to get higher-ceiling prospects if they aim for guys 1-2 years away rather than players who have already graduated (or are about to graduate).
So, you’re saying you won’t? With there being so many teams in on Donovan, you don’t expect Bloom to try and get the best deal possible?HorseTrader wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 13:06 pmReally you'd lose all confidence over one deal? Possibly his first Cardinal deal? Tough to be perfectHoosier59 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 12:16 pm As you all are well aware, I’m against trading Donovan AT ALL, but….i will say, it would seem, that the return for him is looking like a lot more than I anticipated. No deal has been done yet, but if Bloom messes this up, then I will have lost all confidence in him!
He has the luxury of looking at multiple options and a slew of players to pick from. He doesn’t have to settle for anything.
Also, IF, he were to add, say a prospect or two that the Cardinals didn’t protect from the rule 5 draft, say Hansen, or a Blazers Jordan, would that bring back an even better return? There’s no doubt, Bloom has to nail this one. All of Cardinals’ Nation is watching!
To be clear, I still don’t want to trade Donnie! HaHa!
You have said that on several threads now. Baseball Trade Value has him at $33M trade value. That is bringing back a lot more than what you suggest. For example, Liam Doyle is at $29M on Baseball Trade Value. The Baseball Trade Value website has been very accurate over the years.Red7 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 22:21 pm You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.
Another "Liam Doyle" is exactly the kind of (near) ML-ready, high ceiling prospect that the Cardinals should be seeking in any Donovan trade.ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 23:15 pmYou have said that on several threads now. Baseball Trade Value has him at $33M trade value. That is bringing back a lot more than what you suggest. For example, Liam Doyle is at $29M on Baseball Trade Value. The Baseball Trade Value website has been very accurate over the years.Red7 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 22:21 pm You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.
He should get a legit MLB player. Unlikely he gets both a high level player and a high level prospect.
100%!Hoosier59 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 12:16 pm As you all are well aware, I’m against trading Donovan AT ALL, but….i will say, it would seem, that the return for him is looking like a lot more than I anticipated. No deal has been done yet, but if Bloom messes this up, then I will have lost all confidence in him!
He has the luxury of looking at multiple options and a slew of players to pick from. He doesn’t have to settle for anything.
Also, IF, he were to add, say a prospect or two that the Cardinals didn’t protect from the rule 5 draft, say Hansen, or a Blazers Jordan, would that bring back an even better return? There’s no doubt, Bloom has to nail this one. All of Cardinals’ Nation is watching!
To be clear, I still don’t want to trade Donnie! HaHa!
Red7 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 22:21 pm You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.
Hopefully the DeWitts give Bloom a fair chance to build something. No penny pinching [nonsense].82birds wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 14:45 pmamen to that Bro'JuanAgosto wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 11:57 am Either a SP or a high-level position prospect. MLB ready by 2027. That is if the return isn't a current legit MLB player. No Mozeliak specials of minor leaguers with injury history. The days of low-hanging fruit and hoping for the best should be over.
Why would a team give an all star player and another projected one for Hurdy Gurdy?
" you don’t expect Bloom to try and get the best deal " That's not exactly what you said in your first post. You said "f Bloom messes this up, then I will have lost all confidence in him!" Sure I expect him to TRY to get the best deal but if the deal fails, that doesn't automatically mean Blook failed or that I'll lose ALL (key word) confidence in him. One deal doesn't make a career, if it did, I'd bet you and 99.9% of the people on here would be considered failures. Bloom could make what looks like a good or great deal that easily fail later.Hoosier59 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 23:00 pmSo, you’re saying you won’t? With there being so many teams in on Donovan, you don’t expect Bloom to try and get the best deal possible?HorseTrader wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 13:06 pmReally you'd lose all confidence over one deal? Possibly his first Cardinal deal? Tough to be perfectHoosier59 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 12:16 pm As you all are well aware, I’m against trading Donovan AT ALL, but….i will say, it would seem, that the return for him is looking like a lot more than I anticipated. No deal has been done yet, but if Bloom messes this up, then I will have lost all confidence in him!
He has the luxury of looking at multiple options and a slew of players to pick from. He doesn’t have to settle for anything.
Also, IF, he were to add, say a prospect or two that the Cardinals didn’t protect from the rule 5 draft, say Hansen, or a Blazers Jordan, would that bring back an even better return? There’s no doubt, Bloom has to nail this one. All of Cardinals’ Nation is watching!
To be clear, I still don’t want to trade Donnie! HaHa!
And if he doesn’t you won’t be disappointed? Ok……